B58 Gear Up at Gold Coast Airport (Coolangatta)
VH-YDC seems to have gone for a little slide down the runway at YBCG last night.
Good news, no injuries. Plenty of sparks. Usual crap reporting from Ch 7. “They were circling the airport, dumping fuel…” |
Originally Posted by MakeItHappenCaptain
(Post 11628226)
VH-YDC seems to have gone for a little slide down the runway at YBCG last night.
Good news, no injuries. I need two minutes of my life back pls. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8f87bca00.jpeg |
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fiery-emergency-landing-on-the-gold-coast-got-into-a-lot-of-trouble/news-story/108b3e88d4386c454749ff726ad690bb
At the end of the news report she states "this was lucky escape for them". It was nothing of the sort - having gone in and out of OOL while they circled (near on 3 hours, not the "one" stated), they remained incredibly calm and professional, even with numerous jet traffic coming and going, and day turning to night. They did multiple low passes when requested, allowing ground personnel to spotlight them to determine if any of the efforts to lower the main left had worked. Obviously it remained up, and they made the most minimal risk landing possible (low fuel and electrics off). No idea who the boys were in there, but both of them handled it incredibly well, along with the bloke in the tower who was getting smashed with update requests from other departures, arrivals, enroute etc. A professional repsonse all round! |
It was nothing of the sort - having gone in and out of OOL while they circled (near on 3 hours, not the "one" stated), they remained incredibly calm and professional, even with numerous jet traffic coming and going, and day turning to night. |
Originally Posted by B2N2
(Post 11628233)
Its a BE-58 not a B58 (Hustler).
I need two minutes of my life back pls. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8f87bca00.jpeg |
Originally Posted by TURIN
(Post 11628266)
Djtto. Got all excited for a moment.
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In defence of ‘Make it happen Captain’ my old CAR5 licence has ‘B55/B58’.
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I think most of us know there are no B58 Hustlers on the Australian Register! :E
Let’s hope the media don’t get hold of this…..:} |
‘my old CAR5 licence has ‘B55/B58’.
Mine says ‘Baron/Travelair’. Each Region had their own unique way of recording things. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11628292)
I think most of us know there are no B58 Hustlers on the Australian Register! :E
Let’s hope the media don’t get hold of this…..:} |
I remember a B55/58 once getting plonked on my licence without me ever being in one (the big or little one)... good old CASA.. they know boats
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B58 - Just to show the term does get used in the industry - large Canadian aviation school.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1729270bcd.png |
I'm wondering what more could have been done in 3 hours to potentially solve the problem that could not have been done in an hour or so? Getting engineering advice, possibly?
Entirely up to the crew to choose the time of landing however I also wonder if they stayed airborne longer to allow the resources necessary to quickly remove the a/c from the runway to get put in place so that the runway remained blocked for the minimum of time. As stated, there were many arrivals/departures they may not have been possible had the a/c landed at the first opportunity after all fixing attempts were exhausted. It'll all be made clear in the end, hopefully. |
If it takes two minutes to find a hustler pic, then you ain't hustling enough. (30 secs)
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I was at the holding point at YBCG a few weeks ago, and a Barron went around because it's gear would'nt come down- wonder if it's the same aircraft.
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Originally Posted by witwiw
(Post 11628350)
I'm wondering what more could have been done in 3 hours to potentially solve the problem that could not have been done in an hour or so? Getting engineering advice, possibly?
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
(Post 11628241)
No idea who the boys were in there, but both of them handled it incredibly well, along with the bloke in the tower who was getting smashed with update requests from other departures, arrivals, enroute etc. A professional repsonse all round! |
Also heard this going on. Incredibly professional and calm by the pilot and tower controller. Well done, hats off to you.
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Would someone please post a picture of a BE-58 badge on a plane of that type....if you can find one.
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fcaf8f8bc.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3fcdbf56b.jpeg Technically, the 55 Baron did have the A55, B55, C55, etc as sub variants… Maybe the current model in production should be the GE58? |
I'm wondering what more could have been done in 3 hours |
Entirely up to the crew to choose the time of landing however I also wonder if they stayed airborne longer to allow the resources necessary to quickly remove the a/c from the runway to get put in place so that the runway remained blocked for the minimum of time. As stated, there were many arrivals/departures they may not have been possible had the a/c landed at the first opportunity after all fixing attempts were exhausted. |
I believe the crew had plenty of gas - were in no trouble and being OOL locals knew the amount of traffic going in and out they would disrupt once they did a wheels up. They seemed to wait until the bulk of all the arrivals and departures had finished, and by the time they did it - only the last 2 JQ domestics and the one from WLG was due to come in. I think in the end only only JQ flight diverted to BNE, the other held and got in after they picked it up and cleared it off the runway. Gave the emergency services plenty of time to get stuff ready as well, and in general less fuel the better I guess in this sort of situation.
I agree if you need to do it, stuff the ramifications, but it holding for another hour or 2 doesn't disrupt the entire industry as much, reduced your weight, why not wait. |
Originally Posted by witwiw
(Post 11628350)
I'm wondering what more could have been done in 3 hours to potentially solve the problem that could not have been done in an hour or so? Getting engineering advice, possibly?
Works on a Pa28R Arrow (allegedly). * I was once told this story by an individual who was a fresh CPL who let his passenger in a Piper Arrow hold the control wheel as he ripped out the rear seat and murdered the hydraulic lines to get the gear to come down. Wasn’t me but made for a good story. |
Originally Posted by B2N2
(Post 11631109)
Rip out the rear seat and cut the hydraulic lines for the gear to freefall?
Works on a Pa28R Arrow (allegedly). * I was once told this story by an individual who was a fresh CPL who let his passenger in a Piper Arrow hold the control wheel as he ripped out the rear seat and murdered the hydraulic lines to get the gear to come down. Wasn’t me but made for a good story. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11631150)
Only works if the backup system is a gravity free fall, and it failed. If the system has up locks, an actuator has busted and a myriad of other problems then cutting hydraulic lines will probably just make a big mess. Also this advice won't work in Arrows from the late 70s onward as they moved away from the bench seats over the flap/battery, to single seats attached to a covered floor. I'm not sure even the older bench seated arrows you could access the hyrdaulics, but who knows.
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Originally Posted by septuganarian
(Post 11631151)
Baron undercarriage system is mechanical with the actuator under the pilot seat!
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Baron gear is electro-mechanical. The motor and gear box are in the spar box behind the front seats.
The electric motor drives a sector gear (about 120 degree sector I think) which is stopped at its up and down limits by limit switches. A Baron that I flew suffered a sector gear failure. The limit switches didn't do their job and the motor kept driving until the sector gear cracked about 3 teeth in from the end. Once the crack spread open a little the motor drive gear could no longer drive the sector gear. Unfortunately the cracked sector gear means that the emergency system won't work either since the handle you turn manually is supposed to drive the sector gear. Not saying that this is what happened here, but it wouldn't surprise me. |
Although the story is true my post was more meant in jest than in mechanical accuracy.
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Technically, the 55 Baron did have the A55, B55, C55, etc as sub variants… Now, a question please - what do we think about turning off the electrics (in the dark) on short finals? Not a criticism, but I've been mulling over this ever since I saw the videos... [QUOTE][The motor and gear box are in the spar box behind the front seats./QUOTE] 43 inches - a great video thanks. Note that the wing is effectively further forward on the short Barons (as opposed to the 58), so that the gearbox is UNDER the front seats. There was a case in Perth around 1968 where a 95-B55 Baron (VH-CFO I think) was landed with the gear half extended and one of the shafts snapped and punched up through the seats! It's a shame it didn't stab the idiot flying it in the bum; he was aware that he was about to run out of fuel, had an issue when he selected the gear and in his panic failed to complete the emergency gear extension procedure. |
Yes, I was thinking the same thing and personally would have waited for what Mr Boeing quaintly calls 'ground contact imminent'. Again, not being critical; I wasn't there and other factors might have been in play. Skin damage in wheels up landings tends to be fuselage and nacelles' leaving the wings clear where the fuel is on most light twins. The other consideration is to keep the flaps up, especially on a nice long 45m wide runway. A recent gear-up landing at Redcliff in a Navajo did some surprising damage to the flaps and flap attachment points with great ripples to the upper skin panels.
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Of course you and I have a shared experience of flying along with no electrics/lighting - at least it was in the cruise!
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Indeed! The definition of darkness is an aeroplane cockpit at night without electrics.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11631152)
That it is indeed, so you can cut the hydraulics and get brake fluid all over yourself...
https://youtu.be/U7aZ1cyoKU8 |
(all 3 legs) on a bench at the back of the hangar |
Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11632179)
One would assume that that would be picked up on a pre-flight!
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In other words incompetent pilots won’t notice until they try to taxi. They would then hop out to check the tie downs had been removed
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Originally Posted by holdingagain
(Post 11632525)
In other words incompetent pilots won’t notice until they try to taxi. They would then hop out to check the tie downs had been removed
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Originally Posted by holdingagain
(Post 11632525)
In other words incompetent pilots won’t notice until they try to taxi. They would then hop out to check the tie downs had been removed
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Watch what happens here at the end! You have to ask Why Why Why?
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