Because neither knew the other was there !
RIP D&JM

Yep, it's a bugger of a set-up.

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Operational reasons.

Do you mean financial reasons?

Interesting to see the Pawnee seemed to only get a dent in its wing from this. If there was no glider in tow what was the Pawnee doing?

Why is ATSB interested? I thought ATSB has denied responsibility for investigation of these kinds of accidents.

One would assume that the Pawnee had released a glider & was coming back to land.

DF.

ATSB stated one was landing and one was taking off.

I wonder if this is the only airport on OZ where you cannot see aircraft on another runway

The pilot of the Jab was a good friend of mine going back fifty years. We flew together at Connair in Darwin in the seventies.Later he went TAA and I went Ansett. He subsequently went to EK and I went to SQ. Stayed in contact all my life. I recently completed his flight review last month. He was the consummate professional pilot to the highest standard I have ever seen. Weight and balance check the works and demonstrated great stick skills. It breaks my heart to hear about this accident to the point I think I will hang up my wings. He was a check pilot on the A380 and built the Jab in his garage. Loved aviation and was a true aviator of the old school. If he can be clobbered what chance do any of us have.
I cannot believe it was a lapse on his part.
Good bye mate I shall never forget you.

RIP ,
Mid air or fire . The two that wake me up at night .

Yes, accurate assessment. David and Jan were the best people. And worse still the other aircraft was piloted by an industry safety professional another example of professional. The fact these two came together is almost impossible, except it did. There is bound to be something more unusual to this. Or maybe not. We probably know each other George, I share your sorrow.

No it's not. Kalgoorlie 29/18 is another. More open space near the intersection though.

There are many many airports and airfields in Australia where one runway end cannot be seen by another including major airports such as YMML.
many busy and smaller fields also have runway ends hidden from each other (e.g. Wangaratta, YMUL, YBEV) with usually the most into wind runway used unless the airport ops or a/c requirements dictates otherwise.
some airfields you can’t see one runway end from the other (YLUW).

YCAB has a comprehensive and detailed ops manual. There are no clowns here.
https://www.cabooltureaeroclub.com.a...arch-2023-.pdf

For whatever reason this terrible accident happened to pilots held in high regard.
Here’s hoping that a chain of events can be elucidated with lessons learned.
I know it does not bring the deceased back but hopefully prevents other such accidents.
I am saddened by what has happened.

It doesn’t take much for bad luck to come into play, crossing runways, high wing vs low wing, maybe a missed call. Very sad news and deepest sympathy to all who have been involved in this tragic event.

Hoosten and Triathlon - do you even operate out of YCAB? I've been there for 25 years and I've never had any concerns about the professionalism of the glider operation there - so, without respect, pull your heads in.

George - my condolences at loosing friends.

One possible factor here is the amount of radio traffic on 125.85; possibly either or both aircraft missed vital calls? This frequency serves two busy airfields (Caboolture and Caloundra) plus it's used for aircraft operating in the Bribie Island training area as well as those transiting out across Morten Bay. Plus you do get clowns with lousy radio discipline; not listening out before transmitting or making incredibly long-winded speeches when a few words would suffice.

The Pawnee was landing.

I think he was being sarcastic, so I didn’t respond.

the landing aircraft has the right of way
. FACT ! …
The aircraft taking off must give way .
FACT !….
With all due respect , how dare you tell me to pull my head in . Who do you think you are , some sort of Sky god ?

I believe on 24, while the Jab was possibly departing 29 under the wing of the Pawnee most likely on approach, conversely it’s possible the wing of the Jab obscured the view of the approach to 24. Use of 24 is discouraged owing to the hospital upwind, the gliders and Pawnee often use it as that’s where the hanger is at the western end. Info for the benefit of those not familiar with Caboolture

As for glider ops, as an ex Camden rated ATC it is my opinion they add to the safety of operations by forcing circuit traffic to be more mindful of scenarios and possibilities where not all traffic has options when things go pear shaped.