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captainhan 30th Apr 2023 13:56

ICAO ATPL conversion
 
Hi everyone,
​​​​​​ just wanted to get some guidance on how to convert my ICAO ATPL to a CASA ATPL. I did my initial flight training in Australia and as such hold a casa CPL & multi engine instrument rating (2012).
since then I moved overseas and have been doing airline flying with an ICAO ATPL.
Is it possible for me to simply convert my ICAO ATPL to a CASA ATPL? If so what is the procedure? Exams/flight test etc.
Cheers!!

Capt Fathom 30th Apr 2023 23:03

Licence conversion info here CASA Website

increase.descent 1st May 2023 02:24


Originally Posted by captainhan (Post 11428056)
Hi everyone,
​​​​​​ just wanted to get some guidance on how to convert my ICAO ATPL to a CASA ATPL. I did my initial flight training in Australia and as such hold a casa CPL & multi engine instrument rating (2012).
since then I moved overseas and have been doing airline flying with an ICAO ATPL.
Is it possible for me to simply convert my ICAO ATPL to a CASA ATPL? If so what is the procedure? Exams/flight test etc.
Cheers!!

Get on the CASA website and find the form for foreign licence verification. Once your licence is verified with the CASA equivalent in your current country you will get access to book the AOSA (composite exam) and AHUF ATPL conversion exams. You will need to book and sit these in Australia. When you’ve passed these you can book in an ATPL flight/sim test in an appropriate aircraft / sim.

SVC1972 9th May 2023 09:11

So to covert a ICAO ATPL Licence to an Australian one, you need to do 3 exams
1 Human Performance
2 Air Law

Can someone tell me what the 3rd one is

HEALY 9th May 2023 09:49

Pretty sure it’s a form of IREX exam

Watchdog 9th May 2023 11:21

You'll also need to be trained/assessed by a Part 142 Organisation as meeting the relevant MOS competencies before sitting the test. (The CASA letter will state this) 👌

captainhan 9th May 2023 15:22


Originally Posted by Watchdog (Post 11432327)
You'll also need to be trained/assessed by a Part 142 Organisation as meeting the relevant MOS competencies before sitting the test. (The CASA letter will state this) 👌

I've heard this bit is immensely difficult, any idea on how to get an instructor? Perhaps for an a320 SIM? Since I'm already rated , figured it would be less time and money spent

Mach E Avelli 9th May 2023 21:52


Originally Posted by captainhan (Post 11432430)
I've heard this bit is immensely difficult, any idea on how to get an instructor? Perhaps for an a320 SIM? Since I'm already rated , figured it would be less time and money spent

The IREX exam has a reputation for being tricky, but there are tutorials available.
If you are competent on type, the flight test is not at all difficult, but it’s immensely expensive. Ansett Aviation Training in Melbourne are best equipped to step you through the process, do the assessment and conduct the test. You can provide your own support pilot who must also be competent on type, or they will assign someone, at additional cost, of course.

Who stole my meds 10th May 2023 01:48


Originally Posted by captainhan (Post 11432430)
I've heard this bit is immensely difficult, any idea on how to get an instructor? Perhaps for an a320 SIM? Since I'm already rated , figured it would be less time and money spent

No need to stress about it. It's best described as a pre test check ride. If you're assessed as competent you'll then do the test, if not (unlikely if you're current) then you'll do a refresher.
I hadn't flown for quite some time before doing my ATPL ride and got through it all.

captainhan 10th May 2023 04:27


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 11432579)
The IREX exam has a reputation for being tricky, but there are tutorials available.
If you are competent on type, the flight test is not at all difficult, but it’s immensely expensive. Ansett Aviation Training in Melbourne are best equipped to step you through the process, do the assessment and conduct the test. You can provide your own support pilot who must also be competent on type, or they will assign someone, at additional cost, of course.

I have already done my irex examination back in 2012 when I got my CASA CPL and multi. Would I have to repeat the irex examination to convert my license?

Capt Fathom 10th May 2023 06:32

The information you seek is on the CASA Website that I linked in post #2

Along with other requirements, it states.....

Air transport pilot licence

For an air transport pilot licence (aeroplane) you must pass both AHUF and AOSA exams within one ‘window’.
You must also pass our IREX exam if not already passed.
Have you spoken with CASA?

Mach E Avelli 10th May 2023 08:10

You won’t have to repeat the IREX. The other good news is that the ATPL flight test covers initial IPC. Make sure the Examiner gives you 12 month validity for that.
You will need proof of prior multi crew operations to avoid the MCC, but in your case that shouldn’t be too hard. CASA being CASA won’t just accept logbook time without some recognisable certification.e.g. from your previous airline. Plus, of course verification from the issuing authority of the ATPL that you are ‘trading’ that the licence you have is an original and not itself based on a validation.

Skippy69 12th May 2023 07:02

I spoke with the guy who wrote the exams, can't remember his name, Gavin Secombe maybe??? He told me it's just like a law exam. IREX was bloody hard graft when I did it. So I myself have been going through the new ATPL law test texts, with highlighters and tabs in the AIP and the parts 91,135 and 121 Regs and MOS'.

captainhan 12th May 2023 18:52

I'm of the understanding that since I have completed the irex during my initial training, that its not required. (according to everybody's replies)

Would anyone be able to give me some guidance on what study material to use for the other two exams?


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