PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions-91/)
-   -   Avalon Airshow (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/649300-avalon-airshow.html)

PiperCameron 6th Mar 2023 01:58


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11396178)
RAAF have a party trick at the dusk Mindil Beach airshow at the completion of the Pitch Black exercise, everyone sitting on the sand dunes watching the fly past in front over the water when a fast jet arrives from behind at 250', over the crowd, pulls to the vertical, all that can be seen is the glowing orb of the afterburner in the twilight gloom. Magic.

Yeah, they've been doing that one for decades (I last saw it at a Townsville Skyshow) and it never fails to amaze especially on a clear night.. a fiery orb fading to a tiny bright dot against a backdrop of stars. I'm glad to hear they're still doing it.

The Korean pass was a little different since it wasn't even the finale - just part of their airshow sequence. Definitely a WTF moment!!! I, along with at least half the crowd, ducked and I have absolutely no idea where he went. I reckon a few in the crowd might've needed to check their trousers after that one. :eek:

Lead Balloon 6th Mar 2023 02:20

A long time ago I watched an airshow at RAAF Laverton from the top of a tower the firies used to dry their hoses (not a euphemism…) near the runway. I looked down at the FIII’s (very) low pass.

runway16 6th Mar 2023 09:37

Avalon
 

Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11396193)
A long time ago I watched an airshow at RAAF Laverton from the top of a tower the firies used to dry their hoses (not a euphemism…) near the runway. I looked down at the FIII’s (very) low pass.

I see other media is talking about the three Chinese gents who were taking lots of shots of the F-22 and the F-35 PLUS pics of the crowd. Big expensive cameras. No doubt special people to include on Chinese people files. I took a bet before the airshow that the Chinese and probably the Russians would be there hoovering up as much technical intel that they could. I won my self bet.
I will take a second bet that there was a bunch gathering up all the brochures and flyers that they could in the Chalets.
Maybe ASIO and the AFAP should have had a closed chat with these gents.
But then again their pics would have been sent back by wire to Beijing before they left the show.
How would I go taking detail aircraft pics at a Chinese airshow? It would not happen and me to walk away.
The Russians? They still have not paid their fuel bill from an Avalon twenty years ago but their agents would be doing the same as the Chinese gents.

Squawk7700 6th Mar 2023 10:47

There’s more documentaries, information and pictures available on the internet than anything you’ll ever get with a zoom lens from an airshow.

Asturias56 6th Mar 2023 13:16

"I will take a second bet that there was a bunch gathering up all the brochures and flyers that they could"

well lots of misleading info there........ a brochure from a salesman.. "sure - it'll fly in 2025..........."

Pearly White 7th Mar 2023 02:34


Originally Posted by tossbag (Post 11395227)
I've got a mate who owns a hangar on General Mitchell, Milwaukee. Fly's his RV in and out whenever he wants and actually gets treated with respect as GA participant.

It's a different world, isn't it? I mean, they've screwed up so much on so many fronts, but they have got it right with GA.

PiperCameron 7th Mar 2023 02:59


Originally Posted by Pearly White (Post 11396839)
It's a different world, isn't it? I mean, they've screwed up so much on so many fronts, but they have got it right with GA.

If AOPA (USA) are to believed, I don't think that's come easy. It appears to me it's taken significant advocacy from GA pilots in Congress all the way down, plus full-time staffers at AOPA over many decades, for them to get where they are now.

We let the ball drop years ago.. and if recent master-planning kerfuffles are any indication, the only time we wake up is when a bomb gets dropped.

Lead Balloon 7th Mar 2023 03:20

Correct. The US Congress legislated BasicMed, over the top of the FAA. The FAA and other NAA’s, like CASA, all have their own version of Avmed leaches on the pilot population. Leaches don’t let go of their victims voluntarily.

cogwheel 7th Mar 2023 04:41

Whilst I enjoyed the flying, even if there were big gaps in the program, I really wonder why there is music put on the PA when there is some commentary - at times the music was so loud you could not hear what was been said ???? Its not a rock concert !!

compressor stall 7th Mar 2023 05:55


Originally Posted by runway16 (Post 11396346)
I see other media is talking about the three Chinese gents who were taking lots of shots of the F-22 and the F-35 PLUS pics of the crowd. Big expensive cameras. No doubt special people to include on Chinese people files. I took a bet before the airshow that the Chinese and probably the Russians would be there hoovering up as much technical intel that ….
Maybe ASIO and the AFAP should have had a closed chat with these gents.
But then again their pics would have been sent back by wire to Beijing before they left the show.
How would I go taking detail aircraft pics at a Chinese airshow? It would not happen and me to walk away.
The Russians? They still have not paid their fuel bill from an Avalon twenty years ago but their agents would be doing the same as the Chinese gents.

Google Duncan Fenn Phographer. Level of photographic detail would make a Chinese intel gatherer (and I have seen them in action serval times) blush.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e22da367.jpeg


Rotor Work 7th Mar 2023 07:14


Originally Posted by cogwheel (Post 11396860)
Whilst I enjoyed the flying, even if there were big gaps in the program, I really wonder why there is music put on the PA when there is some commentary - at times the music was so loud you could not hear what was been said ???? Its not a rock concert !!

I could not believe they were playing Lynyrd Skynard Free Bird Friday night.
was waiting for Buddy, Otis, John, Patsy, Richie, Stevie Ray, Randy, Glen, the Big Bopper etc.to be played.

Lead Balloon 7th Mar 2023 07:33

That gizmo plonked on the belly area of the F22 looks exactly like the webcam bolted onto my hangar. Who knew? I’m guessing a few self-tapping screws and voila: F22 webcam.

The Golden Rivet 7th Mar 2023 09:07


Originally Posted by Rotor Work (Post 11396900)
I could not believe they were playing Lynyrd Skynard Free Bird Friday night.
was waiting for Buddy, Otis, John, Patsy, Richie, Stevie Ray, Randy, Glen, the Big Bopper etc.to be played.

The question is was the Jetstar crew waiting for the fast half of “free bird” for their takeoff roll, couldn’t have been more perfectly timed

PiperCameron 9th Mar 2023 02:19


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11396911)
That gizmo plonked on the belly area of the F22 looks exactly like the webcam bolted onto my hangar. Who knew? I’m guessing a few self-tapping screws and voila: F22 webcam.

Maybe...but if it is, it'll be a US Defence-approved non-Chinese-made version in Special Black Radar Reflective Coating (SBRRC) accompanied by a pile of cybersecurity certification paperwork as long as your arm ...and cost at least 5 times as much as the one on your hangar. :E

gerry111 9th Mar 2023 10:32


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11396911)
That gizmo plonked on the belly area of the F22 looks exactly like the webcam bolted onto my hangar. Who knew? I’m guessing a few self-tapping screws and voila: F22 webcam.

Hmm.. I note Squawk 7700 attended... Perhaps that F22 webcam is one of his?

PiperCameron 10th Mar 2023 00:51


Originally Posted by gerry111 (Post 11398198)
Hmm.. I note Squawk 7700 attended... Perhaps that F22 webcam is one of his?

The F22 did some really impressive low level passes on the day, but I had no idea they were that low! :eek:

Framcicles 14th Mar 2023 20:16


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11396911)
That gizmo plonked on the belly area of the F22 looks exactly like the webcam bolted onto my hangar. Who knew? I’m guessing a few self-tapping screws and voila: F22 webcam.

On a more serious note, it’s a radar reflector

Lead Balloon 14th Mar 2023 20:39


Originally Posted by Framcicles (Post 11402090)
On a more serious note, it’s a radar reflector

Well I'll be jiggered.

From the electric interweb:

Stealth aircraft, such as the F-22 Raptor or the F-35 Lightning II 5th generation jets are equipped with Luneburg (or Luneberg) lenses: radar reflectors used to make the LO (Low Observable) aircraft (consciously) visible to radars. These devices are installed on the aircraft on the ground are used whenever the aircraft don’t need to evade the radars: during ferry flights when the aircraft use also the transponder in a cooperative way with the ATC (Air Traffic Control) agencies; during training or operative missions that do not require stealthiness; or, more importantly, when the aircraft operate close to the enemy whose ground or flying radars, intelligence gathering sensors.

compressor stall 15th Mar 2023 18:18

That is amazing. Look at the size of the aircraft and it needs that little tennis ball to be seen by radar.
insane.


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:32.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.