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TheFlyingKiwi722 28th Aug 2022 03:18


Originally Posted by Hyrees (Post 11286314)

The people who run the GA course are genuinely not interested in developing and growing you as a pilot. If you don’t fit the model they seem to be looking for (plenty of other posts describing the type), you are ostracised since day 1 of the course. They use it for candidates to essentially pay for an interview, nothing more.

Could you expand on the model of pilots they're looking for/provide the link for the posts describing the type. I'm genuinely curious to read up on it.

Cheers

future_airline_cpt 28th Aug 2022 07:41


Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere (Post 11286352)
A waste of money designed to exploit eager low time pilots.

agh okay I read something similar to that on another thread here. It's alot of $$$ to splash but what are you thoughts on the GA course giving you networking abilities?

Hyrees 28th Aug 2022 10:05


Originally Posted by future_airline_cpt (Post 11286420)
agh okay I read something similar to that on another thread here. It's alot of $$$ to splash but what are you thoughts on the GA course giving you networking abilities?

The GA course only opens doors to the operators directly linked to the flight school. Nothing more.

And once again, referencing other threads on this forum, stay clear of those operators. Exploited duty, paid well below award, subject to bullying and harassment - but if you survive all that, you might be lucky enough to score a ring and proposal.

Hyrees 28th Aug 2022 10:08


Originally Posted by TheFlyingKiwi722 (Post 11286369)
Could you expand on the model of pilots they're looking for/provide the link for the posts describing the type. I'm genuinely curious to read up on it.

Cheers

Have a read of threads “Too late for 2022?” and “What Happened?” to start.. but there are more - all linked to the same “operator”.

What is the “operator” looking for? Young, male, fresh CPL wanting to make a start in the industry. Perfect for grooming.

SOPS 28th Aug 2022 13:48


Originally Posted by future_airline_cpt (Post 11285941)
I forgot to ask, there's a "Ga ready" course hosted in Darwin which costs $4750. Anyone done this and is it worth doing it for networking purposes and the 5+ hours on the C210?


Im getting old. WTF is GA ready course? I would think nothing more than another way to remove money from people, in what has become a very sad shadow of what the GA industry once was.

43 years ago…I graduated with 250 hours a CPL and a multi IFR rating…. Went up North and got a job flying a C210 and Seneca 3.

Retired as. B777 Captain. I somehow did this without the “aid” of all of these new and wonderful expensive useless courses.

172heavy 29th Aug 2022 03:09


Originally Posted by future_airline_cpt (Post 11285941)
I forgot to ask, there's a "Ga ready" course hosted in Darwin which costs $4750. Anyone done this and is it worth doing it for networking purposes and the 5+ hours on the C210?

DO NOT DO THIS "COURSE".

It's absolutely garbage and you will learn nothing. Put that money aside incase times get tough. The cost is actually about $5k by the time you buy the required amount of lubrication you'll need.

megan 29th Aug 2022 05:23


What is the “operator” looking for? Young, male, fresh CPL wanting to make a start in the industry
Don't know to which "operator" you refer, but plenty of the fair sex represented, in fact one operator said he preferred the ladies because they operated the aircraft as they were told, unlike the lads who often seemed to know a better way. Is an operator who takes pride in the condition and maintenance of the aircraft.

172heavy 29th Aug 2022 05:54


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11286848)
Don't know to which "operator" you refer, but plenty of the fair sex represented, in fact one operator said he preferred the ladies because they operated the aircraft as they were told, unlike the lads who often seemed to know a better way. Is an operator who takes pride in the condition and maintenance of the aircraft.

"Operator" is definitely not the word I'd use to describe them and whilst I totally agree with your statement, the above mentioned "operator" being referred to, will not and does not employ women. That's just a fact like it or not.

future_airline_cpt 29th Aug 2022 07:00


Originally Posted by 172heavy (Post 11286833)
DO NOT DO THIS "COURSE".

It's absolutely garbage and you will learn nothing. Put that money aside incase times get tough. The cost is actually about $5k by the time you buy the required amount of lubrication you'll need.


you've just saved me 5K. Legend!! I was just thinking of the networking opportunities from the course more than anytihng due to nepotism being a big reason why some get the jobs and others never succeed.

PiperCameron 29th Aug 2022 23:55


Originally Posted by future_airline_cpt (Post 11286887)
you've just saved me 5K. Legend!! I was just thinking of the networking opportunities from the course more than anytihng due to nepotism being a big reason why some get the jobs and others never succeed.

If you're after networking opportunities, you'd do better spending the 5K on a check-out and a few hours rental out of MKT. That would at least demonstrate that you're keen enough and capable enough to fly the aircraft without getting lost and/or running into a tropical storm and at worst get you a bit more time in the aircraft of your choice...

Of course, 5K worth of beers in the right hands might do the same. :cool:

172heavy 30th Aug 2022 00:32


Originally Posted by PiperCameron (Post 11287435)
If you're after networking opportunities, you'd do better spending the 5K on a check-out and a few hours rental out of MKT. That would at least demonstrate that you're keen enough and capable enough to fly the aircraft without getting lost and/or running into a tropical storm and at worst get you a bit more time in the aircraft of your choice...

Of course, 5K worth of beers in the right hands might do the same. :cool:

Well said.

It'll also buy quite a few nights accommodation at the Youth Shack Hostel in Darwin. Not a bad place to run into people who can you get you places.

Jamesfagan 30th Aug 2022 02:43

G’day guys,

I’m in a similar situation to TheFlyingKiwi722, with several key differences. The first and most glaring of these is that I’m an old bastard. 48 next month and thought that a career change from farming would be a good idea. I guess that age has its pros and cons, but I was wondering - from an employer’s perspective - how much of an impediment this may be? Also, am I mad or deluded in considering heading up north for a year or so with a young family?

megan 30th Aug 2022 07:10


Also, am I mad or deluded in considering heading up north for a year or so with a young family?
Depend on the job you land, some are based at Aboriginal communities. Next door neighbour flies a Cessna single for a non aviation business, one business had a Metro to support its business, don't know if it's still the case.

Jamesfagan 30th Aug 2022 08:23

Thanks. To be honest, I’d be pretty happy with almost any job that didn’t require a GA Ready course! Think I might give that a very wide berth, given what I’ve read on here. I haven’t been up to the Territory or the Kimberly for 20 years, and I just may have an opportunity to to spend a year up there before my youngest child starts school.

Hyrees 30th Aug 2022 08:40


Originally Posted by Jamesfagan (Post 11287467)
G’day guys,

I’m in a similar situation to TheFlyingKiwi722, with several key differences. The first and most glaring of these is that I’m an old bastard. 48 next month and thought that a career change from farming would be a good idea. I guess that age has its pros and cons, but I was wondering - from an employer’s perspective - how much of an impediment this may be? Also, am I mad or deluded in considering heading up north for a year or so with a young family?

Plenty of pilots have gotten work in the NT of a similar age bracket.

Many companies that are based rather remote typically will have company housing, sharing with other pilots. In most cases, they won’t allow partners / families to occupy as well. Getting your own housing in community is very difficult.

Your best bet would be trying to score a basing one Darwin, Katherine or Gove in the NT.

Charizard90 31st Aug 2022 01:13


Originally Posted by Jamesfagan (Post 11287583)
Thanks. To be honest, I’d be pretty happy with almost any job that didn’t require a GA Ready course! Think I might give that a very wide berth, given what I’ve read on here. I haven’t been up to the Territory or the Kimberly for 20 years, and I just may have an opportunity to to spend a year up there before my youngest child starts school.

Best of luck, maturity and commitment goes a long way with most operators. I'd just be careful you've mentioned a couple of times 'for a year or so' operators don't want to hear you are only in for it for a year.


Originally Posted by Hyrees (Post 11287597)
Plenty of pilots have gotten work in the NT of a similar age bracket.

Many companies that have remote bases typically have company housing, sharing with other pilots. In most cases, they won’t allow partners / families to occupy as well. Getting your own housing in community is very difficult.

Your best bet would be trying to score a basing one Darwin, Katherine or Gove in the NT.

Agree with this, most of the Arnhem land operators will put you up in company provided housing with other pilots, unless you can score a single pilot base not practical for a partner/families. Although black listed for numerous other reasons Black Diamond in Gove in the past has assisted with company housing for families, I believe Air Arnhem also Gove based has helped with housing for families, although I think the CP might have moved on now.

172heavy 31st Aug 2022 01:33


Originally Posted by Jamesfagan (Post 11287467)
G’day guys,

I’m in a similar situation to TheFlyingKiwi722, with several key differences. The first and most glaring of these is that I’m an old bastard. 48 next month and thought that a career change from farming would be a good idea. I guess that age has its pros and cons, but I was wondering - from an employer’s perspective - how much of an impediment this may be? Also, am I mad or deluded in considering heading up north for a year or so with a young family?

Send me a private message mate, your inbox is full so I can't dm you.

megan 31st Aug 2022 04:49

172, it's not that his box is full, it's that he doesn't yet have the necessary ten posts yet. Suggest one of you post your email address on here in order to make the link up.

172heavy 31st Aug 2022 04:54


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11288094)
172, it's not that his box is full, it's that he doesn't yet have the necessary ten posts yet. Suggest one of you post your email address on here in order to make the link up.

Thank you 😊

Jamesfagan 31st Aug 2022 11:10


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11288094)
172, it's not that his box is full, it's that he doesn't yet have the necessary ten posts yet. Suggest one of you post your email address on here in order to make the link up.

Thanks Megan. I was also trying to work out what was going on…


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