IAA Mildura
Anyone know what is happening with IAA at Mildura? What with China southern closing its doors in WA, is IAA likely to get more students from China when international students are allowed back in to Australia?
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Originally Posted by LexAir
(Post 10958171)
Anyone know what is happening with IAA at Mildura? What with China southern closing its doors in WA, is IAA likely to get more students from China when international students are allowed back in to Australia?
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Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
(Post 10958217)
Will be interesting to see if that happens! Can't imagine the residents against the school will be too happy
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My understanding is they haven’t operated out of Merredin for the last few years and has only been Jandakot.
Can confirm the remaining 50 odd students are off to Mangalore to complete their training. |
Thread drift here. My concern is for the operation at Mildura. A lot of time, money and effort has gone into setting the Mildura operation up.
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Originally Posted by LexAir
(Post 10958856)
Thread drift here. My concern is for the operation at Mildura. A lot of time, money and effort has gone into setting the Mildura operation up.
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There ar any number of businesses that can be established virtually overnight. They have relatively small capital costs and lease or rent their equipment and premises. They sell product that is transaction based. There is no repeat business. Boat building, construction and education, including flight training, fall into this category.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators. |
Originally Posted by LexAir
(Post 10958856)
Thread drift here. My concern is for the operation at Mildura. A lot of time, money and effort has gone into setting the Mildura operation up.
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IAA claim to have MOU's with Air China, China Southern and Hebei Airlines pending the opening of boarders - in addition to their current contracts with China Eastern, Sichuan and Shenzhen Airlines. They are still around making inquiries with for future second and third bases.
As others have said the place is messy, needs big management improvement. Have the new aircraft and the contracts which many schools would die for but need better leadership. |
Now that international students are trickling back into Australia, given the current geopolitical situation, is there any likelihood, in the new year, of a return to flying operations for IAA at Mildura?
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It looks like Mangalore are shutting for the same reasons as IAA
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10959417)
There ar any number of businesses that can be established virtually overnight. They have relatively small capital costs and lease or rent their equipment and premises. They sell product that is transaction based. There is no repeat business. Boat building, construction and education, including flight training, fall into this category.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators. Ah, Australia's biz guru from the dark side of the Moon awakens in 2022... |
Maybe Sunfish is right about some operators but the Mildura operation has invested some 100 million plus dollars. Seems like a lot of money to not worry about continuing their business.
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Originally Posted by LexAir
(Post 11163342)
Maybe Sunfish is right about some operators but the Mildura operation has invested some 100 million plus dollars. Seems like a lot of money to not worry about continuing their business.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 11163298)
Ah, Australia's biz guru from the dark side of the Moon awakens in 2022...
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Originally Posted by LexAir
(Post 11162862)
Now that international students are trickling back into Australia, given the current geopolitical situation, is there any likelihood, in the new year, of a return to flying operations for IAA at Mildura?
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Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
(Post 11165374)
Chinese govt isn't letting their students come to Australia at this stage (yay politics). Hence why Oxford, Mangalore, IAA are all struggling. Hopefully things change and we can see an improvement
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IAA Mildura
The lack of students must be a disaster for the big schools geared for bulk foreign student training. Not talked about in the media spin is the effect that it has had on instructors. When Covid struck and no more students were allowed into the country. The existing students were trained to the licence standard and sent home. As the numbers of students dwindled the need for instructors declined. First the Grade 3 instructors were dispensed with. Then the Grade 2 instructors. That left the Grade 1 instructors. A bare skeleton hoping for the day that Covid would disappear and that student numbers would increase and the Grade 1 instructors could be used to expand the said school again. Wishful thinking.
A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales. Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired. Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills. From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry. But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country. All food for thought. Comments? |
Originally Posted by runway16
(Post 11166414)
The lack of students must be a disaster for the big schools geared for bulk foreign student training. Not talked about in the media spin is the effect that it has had on instructors. When Covid struck and no more students were allowed into the country. The existing students were trained to the licence standard and sent home. As the numbers of students dwindled the need for instructors declined. First the Grade 3 instructors were dispensed with. Then the Grade 2 instructors. That left the Grade 1 instructors. A bare skeleton hoping for the day that Covid would disappear and that student numbers would increase and the Grade 1 instructors could be used to expand the said school again. Wishful thinking.
A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales. Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired. Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills. From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry. But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country. All food for thought. Comments? |
Anyone know if this place will be starting back up?
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Speaking as a Grade 1 instructor with 5000 hrs dual given (at least I used to be until a forced career change). I have supervised hundreds of instructors over the last 20 years. Some of the very best I have worked with were actually very junior Grade3's. Some of the worst I have worked with were Grade 1's who thought they knew everything. Key word is attitude. I'll take a bunch of grade 3's with the right attitude over a know it all any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by Ozgrade3
(Post 11262140)
Speaking as a Grade 1 instructor with 5000 hrs dual .
My least favourite are the G3's who think they know everything, most had chilled out a little by the time they're G1's. Will agree it's the attitude that counts. |
I did use the words skilled grade 1, which means ability, experience and attitude. While many grade 3 have ability they lack teaching experience and it is hit and miss when hiring them as to who is good and who is bad, unfortunately with someone new in this field there is no real way of knowing if someone is good or bad until you have given them some time to adjust to the job. However if you have worked alongside and know that an experienced grade 1 is worth their salt then you should push for higher rewards for that experience and skill. The issue is that companies do not care for it. So you end up with a general brain drain in the industry and minimal transfer of skill to the new guys.
The issue with 'right way ' of teaching also depends on what you are achieving. The correct method is what determines the product (student skill set) at the end and varies from whether you are teaching cadets for an airline (skill sets aimed at correlation with the parent companies procedures) or club PPLs (technique to suit the individuals needs at the completion of training) or the multitude of other variables. In the cadet training environment you must conform to what the company wants you to teach or you will affect the whole training outcome for that student, most to the detriment, as they are passing building blocks as they progress to the final outcome. So in the cadet scenario the senior grade 1 will insist you do it their way or you become obstructive to the process, if you want change you will need to make a written statement to the mother company as to why it's wrong, good luck with that. WRT grade 3, a good grade 1 starts somewhere, so mentoring and nurturing promising grade 3 is essential to the process of creating a strong standards team at the top rungs of a school. A few places I worked at would only reward you for getting high enough hours with a Salary paid position, but it wasn't a reward it was because paying you casual rates was more than the salary paid. Grade 1s took it, as it gave them security for loans and houses etc, even though it was a pay cut. That's the real face of the industry. |
When I started, I didn’t even know enough to work out that my initial training was substandard. That took me a while (2+ years) to understand and to try and start compensating. I’m still trying.
For example, the school never used written checklists, there were simple memorized mantras. I recently proved to myself that their policy was a mistake and a written checklist is much, much better. ‘There we’re a few GR1 instructors who were great to learn from, however they never stayed for long; I never quite found out why. |
I hear that IAA will start up again soon at Mildura with a fresh intake of international cadets.
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