IAA Mildura
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IAA Mildura
Anyone know what is happening with IAA at Mildura? What with China southern closing its doors in WA, is IAA likely to get more students from China when international students are allowed back in to Australia?
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Will be interesting to see if that happens! Can't imagine the residents against the school will be too happy
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There ar any number of businesses that can be established virtually overnight. They have relatively small capital costs and lease or rent their equipment and premises. They sell product that is transaction based. There is no repeat business. Boat building, construction and education, including flight training, fall into this category.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators.
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I din't know All the truths from rumours but, I have not come across a single person that has anything good to say about this place. If only half Of it is true this place Must be One Of the worst managed aviation businesses in Australia.
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IAA claim to have MOU's with Air China, China Southern and Hebei Airlines pending the opening of boarders - in addition to their current contracts with China Eastern, Sichuan and Shenzhen Airlines. They are still around making inquiries with for future second and third bases.
As others have said the place is messy, needs big management improvement. Have the new aircraft and the contracts which many schools would die for but need better leadership.
As others have said the place is messy, needs big management improvement. Have the new aircraft and the contracts which many schools would die for but need better leadership.
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Now that international students are trickling back into Australia, given the current geopolitical situation, is there any likelihood, in the new year, of a return to flying operations for IAA at Mildura?
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There ar any number of businesses that can be established virtually overnight. They have relatively small capital costs and lease or rent their equipment and premises. They sell product that is transaction based. There is no repeat business. Boat building, construction and education, including flight training, fall into this category.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators.
Businesses with such characteristics are a mecca for shonky operators.
Ah, Australia's biz guru from the dark side of the Moon awakens in 2022...
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Maybe Sunfish is right about some operators but the Mildura operation has invested some 100 million plus dollars. Seems like a lot of money to not worry about continuing their business.
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Chinese govt isn't letting their students come to Australia at this stage (yay politics). Hence why Oxford, Mangalore, IAA are all struggling. Hopefully things change and we can see an improvement
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They can get out but they can’t get back again! China is still going for a zero Covid target to the detriment of the whole country. So many, including myself, want/need to go there for business purposes and it’s not looking like it will happen any time soon.
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IAA Mildura
The lack of students must be a disaster for the big schools geared for bulk foreign student training. Not talked about in the media spin is the effect that it has had on instructors. When Covid struck and no more students were allowed into the country. The existing students were trained to the licence standard and sent home. As the numbers of students dwindled the need for instructors declined. First the Grade 3 instructors were dispensed with. Then the Grade 2 instructors. That left the Grade 1 instructors. A bare skeleton hoping for the day that Covid would disappear and that student numbers would increase and the Grade 1 instructors could be used to expand the said school again. Wishful thinking.
A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales.
Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired.
Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills.
From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry.
But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country.
All food for thought.
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A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales.
Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired.
Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills.
From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry.
But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country.
All food for thought.
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The lack of students must be a disaster for the big schools geared for bulk foreign student training. Not talked about in the media spin is the effect that it has had on instructors. When Covid struck and no more students were allowed into the country. The existing students were trained to the licence standard and sent home. As the numbers of students dwindled the need for instructors declined. First the Grade 3 instructors were dispensed with. Then the Grade 2 instructors. That left the Grade 1 instructors. A bare skeleton hoping for the day that Covid would disappear and that student numbers would increase and the Grade 1 instructors could be used to expand the said school again. Wishful thinking.
A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales.
Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired.
Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills.
From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry.
But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country.
All food for thought.
Comments?
A lot of those fired or furloughed instructors will never return to instructing. They will have gone to other jobs that are a continuing venue of employment and probably better pay scales.
Even if Covid vanished overnight and OS students rolled back into the country there would be the aspect of getting enough of the right instructors to re-start the school. The G1's would have to retrain and oversee the G3 and G2 instructors that would need to be hired or re-hired.
Rusty instructors would need to be brought back into line and no doubt there would be a few 'incidents' as the airlines are finding out. The expression 'if you don't use it you lose it' comes to mind in regard to pilot skills.
From the overseas camp one can see that in say 10 years time the likes of China will have got rid of enough smog and build more GA type airports to be able to be used to train their own pilots in their own country. That might leave the big Australian schools high and dry.
But the good side to this is that the Chinese may want to have Australian instructors on a short term contract to raise the level of flight skills in that country.
All food for thought.
Comments?
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Speaking as a Grade 1 instructor with 5000 hrs dual given (at least I used to be until a forced career change). I have supervised hundreds of instructors over the last 20 years. Some of the very best I have worked with were actually very junior Grade3's. Some of the worst I have worked with were Grade 1's who thought they knew everything. Key word is attitude. I'll take a bunch of grade 3's with the right attitude over a know it all any day of the week.