One down at Mareeba
11.15 qld time. Angel bush a/c twin pusher crashed just after take off. Being a noisy thing ...here comes the Angel !!... I watched it lift off . Rate of climb was very shallow, and with the gear still down it turned right at about 100 ft. Didnt sound like full power on both either
As soon as it started to turn right , down wind, again at a very low speed...the outcome was obvious. I called out 'level up, level up.!'.just land straight ahead .but the pilot never heard me. The right wing went down, the turn tightened into the vertical and nose and right wing first bit the dust in a cornfield 1/2 k north from the strip. Pleased to see NO smoke, No fire Triple zero rang out, flooded with other callers no doubt and Ambos were quick on the scene. Wx 38C wind .10 kt westerly. Elev 1560 ft... And the dernsity altitude is?? ( abt 4500 at a rough guess) EMS helicopter from CNS has just arrived and landed on the road by the cornfield. 12.10 State of the pilot and any pax...I guess it will all be in the media tonight. Bugger. |
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VH-IAZ, registered to AZUL Aviation at Cooktown, Qld, since Mar 2019.
Been in Australia since 2010. Has worn many registrations over the years in Australia. |
So he was taking off to the north, with a westerly crosswind, turned right at 100ft towards all those big powerlines?
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I find it strange they were possibly attempting a field return at such height, when they were taking off in the direction of large fields straight ahead or banana fields which are great for landing on. The other direction is quite the opposite as many know.
The local operators don’t usually fly training in Cairns after 11 due density height. |
ABC reporting two dead. Angel Aircraft model m44. Very sad. |
Do they sell JetA1 at YMBA?
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Yes they do sell Jet-A1 and Avgas from self help fixed installations. So lets not go down that track! Separate installations.
And why stop training after 11:00am? there are higher airstrips in the world with great density heights. The Aero Club may not have much trade after 11am simply because their 'trade' is all working a regular job. I can't image MAF not training after all their PNG Ops and other countries as well are all DH challenging. PoppaJo, you are way out wrong! |
Oh dear - that is very sad indeed.
DF. |
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Originally Posted by cowl flaps
(Post 10639541)
RIP |
Sad to see them go like this. RIP :sad:
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There’s a story in the Qld papers about how the 73 year old deceased pilot was the pilot of a flight that caused a major diplomatic incident, but I can’t get past the paywall. Does anyone have a link for what that is about? |
Sq7... if I’m putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 4, Merauke and a Partenavia come to mind. if however I just came up with 5, then I apologise for being incorrect. |
Originally Posted by Mumbai Merlin
(Post 10639523)
Yes they do sell Jet-A1 and Avgas from self help fixed installations. So lets not go down that track! Separate installations.
And why stop training after 11:00am? there are higher airstrips in the world with great density heights. The Aero Club may not have much trade after 11am simply because their 'trade' is all working a regular job. I can't image MAF not training after all their PNG Ops and other countries as well are all DH challenging. PoppaJo, you are way out wrong! This part of the world, more specifically the Mareeba/Atherton area and further out west toward the gulf, is not training friendly in the afternoons due to severe thermals, large up/downdrafts, dust swirls, tropics weather. It’s a November to May thing. It’s just bumpy as ****. Not saying it’s not flyable, it’s just unpleasant, and needs ongoing attention in regards to what the aircraft is doing. Just ask Marcus or Sally. |
SQ7, is it the Merauke business, or the Citation in Bouganville affair? Not sure myself..
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This is behind a paywall, but says it is the pilot of the 'Merauke 5'.
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THE pilot from the ill-fated 2008 “Merauke Five” flight has tragically been killed in a plane crash in North Queensland. William Scott-Bloxam, 73, and his 63-year-old passenger were killed when his twin-engine 44 Angel aircraft went down in a cornfield near the Mareeba Airport shortly after 11am today.Mr Scott-Bloxam and his wife Vera were among a group of five who sparked an international incident in 2008 when a trip to the Papuan town of Merauke went horribly wrong.The trip – which was part sightseeing and part business – went awry when Indonesian authorities detained the group for entering without a visa.After initially being told they could pay a fine, the five Queenslanders were jailed and sentenced to terms of imprisonment of between two and three years.Their convictions were eventually overturned by the High Court, but they would spend nine months in detention before being allowed to return to Australia.“I feel like a goldfish that has escaped a pool of piranhas,’’ Mr Scott-Bloxam told The Courier-Mail after touching down on Horn Island in Torres Strait in 2009.``It’s hard to imagine that you end up in the highest court in the land for a misdemeanour case.”At the time, the Federal Government was criticised for doing more to help convicted drug trafficker Schapelle Corby than the five Queenslanders.Today, the plane Mr Scott-Bloxam bought on his return to Australia – a rare Angel Aircraft Corporation twin-engine that is the only one of its kind in the country – crashed into the ground.https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...151?width=1024Emergency Services are on scene at a light plane crash at Rays Rd near the Mareeba Aerodrome on Saturday. Picture: Bronwyn WheatcroftPolice confirmed a 73-year-old Cooktown man – the pilot – and his passenger, a 63-year-old from Stuart, died at the scene of the crash.Forensic Crash Unit investigators were on scene and police will prepare a report for the coroner. Witnesses spoke of hearing the plane struggle as it flew overhead. “I heard the aircraft, the engines were missing and back firing,” one witness posted to social media. In a post on their Facebook page, the FNQ Aviation Museum said the aircraft was very rare. “Our hearts go out to the two souls lost on today’s aircraft crash at Mareeba,” the post said. “The Angel aircraft was unique and the only (of its) type in Australia and believed to have been one of few left in the world. “Our thoughts and prayers are with their friends and family.”The Australian Transport Safety Bureau released a statement saying a team of investigators from Brisbane and Canberra were planning to travel to Mareeba to examine the wreckage and crash site.“As part of the investigation, ATSB investigators will also interview any witnesses, review aircraft and pilot records and weather information and conduct data recovery,” the statement said.Anyone who saw the crash should contact the ATSB on 1800 992 986. |
What Poppajo said. Sally told me the same thing. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10639464)
The local operators don’t usually fly training in Cairns after 11 due density height.
What is so unique about Cairns. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10639730)
Ah...What?
What is so unique about Cairns. |
The conditions are vastly different on each side of the rainforest. Cairns cops the Viz and rain issues but Mareeba has the thermal/downdraft sensation. |
Someone’s dumped a lot of money on upgrading MAREEBA airport. Any reason for the upgrades? |
Hot and thermally, yes. Not ideal for abinitio instruction by lunchtime on hot days, yes. But nothing that would cause one to question a light twin departing with 2 pob! Certainly nothing worse than a lot of the country.
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RIP Scotty
the first day that my family moved into SC 18 in Saudia City Scotty walked across the road wearing a lava lava bearing a tray with a pitcher of ice cold beer and several glasses. a real scallywag - loved his story of using a Migs exhaust to get #4 on his DC8 started as the Indians came over the hill |
The Angel was departing off Runway 28...westerly , not north. Turned north. and thence tried for easterly..into oblivion. Very sad.
To me ...the big 'what if'...is... had his climb continued for another 200 mtrs, a right turn would have put him heading up the road...and a much safer arrival, at least for the occupants. Alas, not to be. From that initial right turn is was unusually quieter., like reduced power on both...I heard no popping or banging of the exhausts...and all that hangs off the back. Good question geeup..a bit like the Paradise dam, but only much smaller. The once almost level all over the airfield land area, has now been over engineered to buggery with bloody great drains, a Suez canal with bund wall and dep culvert bear traps to snare passing a/c. Making the place more dangerous than it ever was. Post completion of the project, the steep drop offs from the taxiway had to be re-done for a gentle slope, and the deep culverts ripped up and shifted further away. 1/2mil, 1 mil.$ ?..never mind plenty of tax dollars to throw around. |
Stap easi wontok. |
I don’t fly a lot GA but i see many pilots turning 100/200/300 ft after departure. Is it not 500ft and why so many turn when they please? |
Very sad indeed. There has been a few fatalities out of Mareeba over the years.
Just out of curiosity.....what type of engines fitted to the Angel? |
Lycoming IO540 |
A decade or so I was asked to prepare a performance evaluation on the Angel aircraft for operations in PNG. I have been able to find the submission I made at the time and it was far from favourable for the aircraft type.
The single engine ceiling was approximately 3700' at ISA sea level. And that was with an airframe that did not have a HF radio or Van 5/X DME antennae installed and adding to the drag. Essentially; it was a single engine aircraft at all times in the event of an engine failure. At the time the factory was unable to provide sufficient data to suggest the aircraft would maintain a 1% climb at 5,000 feet for IFR. Indeed for IFR take-off and go-around the MTOW had to reduced considerably for the aircraft to achieve the required climb gradients. The bottom line was that in ISA +15 at Port Moresby there was no S/E climb available and one shudders to think what negative performance there would have been at Mt. Hagen, Chimbu and Goroka. Maintaining runway heading and banking the dead wing 5 degrees towards the live engine would have been paramount to success. The aircraft may have appealed to those with a requirement for VFR, short inter island sea level Ops. Just take a look at the wing and the undercarriage; it would make you cringe. I don't know how many were constructed, sold, or now still exist. Even the ownership of the 'Type Certificate' may be questionable. Many years ago the Piper PA-23 Apache, if fitted with the 150hp engines was CASA/DCA mandated as a single engine aircraft for the purposes of crossing Bass Strait from Victoria to Tasmania. Always via King or Flinders Island. The upgrade to 160 hpp made no real difference either. There was no S/E performance at anything but very light weights at ISA S/L The particular aircraft I use as that example was/is VH-FAD which had a short career in PNG before returning to Australia. The aircraft flew into power lines and survived whilst being owned and operated by Groupair at Berwick, Victoria. The aircraft had an aftermarket 'long nose' conversion which actually aided the performance ever so slightly. Not sure where the aircraft is now. The "Angels" are now looking after the Angel occupants. |
Dunno.....i would have thought a couple of 540's in a reasonable light airframe would have turned it into a space shuttle.
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There wouldn’t be too many people with a resume like his and a story book even longer. RIP Scotty. |
Office U...interesting info there. I wonder if the guy at the helm was aware of its lack of performance, and mba was hot and high yesterday. I don’t see many turning at 100’ after take off around here...unless there is a problem, or the croppie. Last prang, Aztec a couple of years ago? Made it to abt 150’ on the downwind turn, but got a couple of miles further out before it fell into the scrub. The ‘pilot’ survived that one. And 5 Yrs ago another Aztec, proved the adage that the second engine takes you to the scene of the accident. Turned without the speed and went in , just like yesterday. Kaboom.. family of 4. Its a bugger. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10640150)
I don’t fly a lot GA but i see many pilots turning 100/200/300 ft after departure. Is it not 500ft and why so many turn when they please? |
CAR 166A:
(f) subject to subregulation (4), if the pilot takes off from the aerodrome, the pilot must maintain the same track from the take‑off until the aircraft is 500 feet above the terrain; No mention of 100', 200', or 700'. (Subregulation (4) is an exception if a turn is necessary to avoid terrain.) Nothing to do with the accident at the centre of this thread though - just clarifying the current legal (normal ops) standard..... |
Aroa:
I trust you have made detailed written notes of the events. As the lead post you are very definitely going to be interviewed by Police and ATSB and you will get your day in Court with the Coroner, there is no escaping that! Having been a lead witness in a previous fatal; trust me it's not a pleasant experience. Facts only and don't use words like 'maybe', 'approximately', 'possibly', or 'I think' etc etc as this will lead to protracted examination and cross examining, all adding up to stress.. You appear to be a "key" witness. Fly safe! |
RIP SCOTTY. Met him up the Torres Straits in 1999 , always good to have a beer with and hear his stories. He had a great career, and also gave many a young pilot there first gig. Will raise a cold Sapporo to you tonight. |
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OU... Thanks. I diected ATSB to my initial post and an ATSB guy turned up this a.m. for a few recorded questions.
What I didnt know before was that the take off I saw was the second.! At the other end of the strip there were a few people who saw and heard that all was not well with the engines, before and after the first short flight. ! The aircraft was telling them something...but they werent listening. |
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