AFP King Air job ad
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...0Air%20Captain $74k - $87k??? Call the cops, that’s highway robbery! :yuk: |
To add insult to injury they want to waste peoples time and put them on a 'hold file'.
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Ducking for cover here but is this not PC over the top?
Or is there a condition that would mean one could not read this but still hold a class 1? Yes pay seems a little low, however 6 weeks leave plus 4 mandatory rest days per year??? It is a gubment job to there are certain benefits. However advertising to create a hold pool if you read it all......... |
NSW Police pay more to fly their Caravan. |
Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere
(Post 10632762)
NSW Police pay more to fly their Caravan. |
You guys are on drugs! 15.4% super, 6 weeks annual leave with a flexible roster. Job security is all but guaranteed. Is that not better then most other turbo prop jobs?? What is REX & QLink etc paying? The surprise for me is no ATPL requirement for the 350 nor 2 crew |
Originally Posted by geeup
(Post 10632814)
6 weeks annual leave with a flexible roster.
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74k to fly a King Air about at all hours of the day and night? And you get to live in Canberra? I wonder if the flexibility is 2 way? 15.4% of 74k is still pretty low. 87k is nowhere near as good as other Turboprop jobs, the top tier of 87k here is pretty close or even below the lowest tier of RFDS and they’re struggling for pilots. And job security is not guaranteed, a change in Government and cutbacks, and you may also find yourself out of work. j3 |
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Gee that's an appalling salary! Careflight are seeking Beech drivers and they offer $133K! plenty of Guvmit admin positions would get similar and no shift work no medical no check & training! Kinda shows a pilot position is really more a trade than a professional position at that rate! YSCB would be the pits! be interesting to see how many applied? |
Four mandatory rest days per year. Ok, someone care to enlighten me! |
machtuk - most tradies I know are earning twice that figure. They're dreaming if they think anyone suitably qualified and experienced will sign on for that pittance. Amazes me how these organisations still keep trying it on though.
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere
(Post 10632839)
Probably a poor attempt by the AFP to stop its people from commuting suicide. |
A privately operated B350 only requires a CPL as a minimum. (the Mass of the aircraft has nothing to do with S/P Ops)
All Beech turbo props assuming the minimum equipment for SP Ops is fitted can be flown single pilot. (fact!) Seating numbers may be limited for Charter Ops or RPT in S/P Ops Salary on offer?, about one half of what the position is worth. + super + 6 weeks leave as a minimum. Canberra loading would be a good idea, along with rent/housing assistance. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10632868)
That comment is in very poor taste especially towards those of us in those kinds of organisations. |
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10632760)
Ducking for cover here but is this not PC over the top?
Or is there a condition that would mean one could not read this but still hold a class 1? |
It’s a better salary than most of the passengers you’re flying around and they may get shot at doing their job. |
That comment is in very poor taste especially towards those of us in those kinds of organisations. |
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10632760)
Ducking for cover here but is this not PC over the top?
Yes pay seems a little low, however 6 weeks leave plus 4 mandatory rest days per year??? It is a gubment job to there are certain benefits. However advertising to create a hold pool if you read it all......... |
The ADF pay their B350 copilots more than that. After they’ve trained them. |
Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA
(Post 10633128)
The ADF pay their B350 copilots more than that. After they’ve trained them. |
Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they don’t get a single applicant. |
Originally Posted by rcoight
(Post 10633548)
Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they don’t get a single applicant. |
Not everyone is in a position to join the defence force. I’m certain this job would be perfectly suitable for many of the applicants. |
Originally Posted by The name is Porter
(Post 10633647)
Dood, I'm sure you're very good at what you do. In fact, I know you are. Would you recommend peeps in your industry applying for jobs at your salary level at half the going rate?
When did that become the norm? You’d have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10633665)
$150-$160k, is that the going rate to pilot a Kingair with 1,500 hours on a CPL? When did that become the norm? You’d have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate. Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat? |
Originally Posted by rcoight
(Post 10633680)
You’re kidding, right? As an absolute minimum, it’s a $120k base salary job.
Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat? |
Squawk, Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent... The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days? j3 |
Originally Posted by j3pipercub
(Post 10633695)
Squawk, Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent... The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days? j3 It’s not an airline; it’s practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBA’s and travel allowances simply don’t apply. I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k! |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10633720)
The problem is that they can’t pay any more due to the salary band that they are tied to.
It’s not an airline; it’s practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBA’s and travel allowances simply don’t apply. I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k! |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10633720)
I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k! Sorry, but that is just a ridiculously low salary for that job description. As has been said already, a hot section on a PT6 is worth more than half that years wage, and it’ll happen pretty quickly flying it single pilot with no experience on type. If you have experience on type, you won’t be flying it for that little. |
Whatever happened to their C208? |
Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!
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From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know, this role, with overtime and loading will average around $120k. You also can’t lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive. It’s a great addition to your resume as well. As with most government jobs, it’s all in the overtime. |
Originally Posted by longrass
(Post 10634256)
From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know.... Squawk7700? Seriously, it’s a pathetic salary for a B350 Captain flying around at all hours. They’ll get some low quality applications from people who just want a few hours of turbine in the book before moving on, and as others have said they’ll probably end up spending far more on maintenance and training the endless new pilots than they would by simply paying a proper wage to start with. |
Originally Posted by deja vu
(Post 10634203)
Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!
Ops would not be limited to ACT and it’s not just flying around passengers. |
It's all in the OT eh? That's what makes your salary good eh? So once you're F&D are exhausted you wash the the plane? Do admin? Data entry? Awesome.
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Originally Posted by longrass
(Post 10634256)
You also can’t lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive. |
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Originally Posted by j3pipercub
(Post 10633695)
Squawk, Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent... The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days? j3 |
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