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Squawk7700 6th Dec 2019 02:55


Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA (Post 10633128)
The ADF pay their B350 copilots more than that. After they’ve trained them.

Not everyone is in a position to join the defence force. I’m certain this job would be perfectly suitable for many of the applicants.

rcoight 6th Dec 2019 05:44

Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they don’t get a single applicant.

Global Aviator 6th Dec 2019 05:55


Originally Posted by rcoight (Post 10633548)
Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they don’t get a single applicant.

They may indeed but they are asking for twin applicants... :)

The name is Porter 6th Dec 2019 09:43


Not everyone is in a position to join the defence force. I’m certain this job would be perfectly suitable for many of the applicants.
Dood, I'm sure you're very good at what you do. In fact, I know you are. Would you recommend peeps in your industry applying for jobs at your salary level at half the going rate?

Squawk7700 6th Dec 2019 10:12


Originally Posted by The name is Porter (Post 10633647)
Dood, I'm sure you're very good at what you do. In fact, I know you are. Would you recommend peeps in your industry applying for jobs at your salary level at half the going rate?

$150-$160k, is that the going rate to pilot a Kingair with 1,500 hours on a CPL?

When did that become the norm?

You’d have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate.

rcoight 6th Dec 2019 10:46


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10633665)


$150-$160k, is that the going rate to pilot a Kingair with 1,500 hours on a CPL?

When did that become the norm?

You’d have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate.

You’re kidding, right? As an absolute minimum, it’s a $120k base salary job.

Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat?

Squawk7700 6th Dec 2019 10:58


Originally Posted by rcoight (Post 10633680)
You’re kidding, right? As an absolute minimum, it’s a $120k base salary job.

Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat?

Wages in Canberra certainly aren't amazing across the board.

j3pipercub 6th Dec 2019 11:07

Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

j3

Squawk7700 6th Dec 2019 11:48


Originally Posted by j3pipercub (Post 10633695)
Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

j3

The problem is that they can’t pay any more due to the salary band that they are tied to.

It’s not an airline; it’s practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBA’s and travel allowances simply don’t apply. I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!

gerry111 6th Dec 2019 12:04


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10633720)
The problem is that they can’t pay any more due to the salary band that they are tied to.

It’s not an airline; it’s practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBA’s and travel allowances simply don’t apply. I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!


No it isn't! It's the Federal Police with their vast budget and resources. I wonder what salary bands those guys are on that visited the ABC a while ago?

junior.VH-LFA 6th Dec 2019 13:06


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10633720)


I’m certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!

Probably not in a B350.

Sorry, but that is just a ridiculously low salary for that job description. As has been said already, a hot section on a PT6 is worth more than half that years wage, and it’ll happen pretty quickly flying it single pilot with no experience on type.

If you have experience on type, you won’t be flying it for that little.

Stan dard 7th Dec 2019 07:54

Whatever happened to their C208?

deja vu 7th Dec 2019 08:41

Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!

longrass 7th Dec 2019 10:41

From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know, this role, with overtime and loading will average around $120k. You also can’t lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive. It’s a great addition to your resume as well.

As with most government jobs, it’s all in the overtime.

rcoight 7th Dec 2019 10:50


Originally Posted by longrass (Post 10634256)
From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know....


Squawk7700?

Seriously, it’s a pathetic salary for a B350 Captain flying around at all hours.
They’ll get some low quality applications from people who just want a few hours of turbine in the book before moving on, and as others have said they’ll probably end up spending far more on maintenance and training the endless new pilots than they would by simply paying a proper wage to start with.

Squawk7700 7th Dec 2019 11:21


Originally Posted by deja vu (Post 10634203)
Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!

You obviously haven’t seen what they get up to ;-)

Ops would not be limited to ACT and it’s not just flying around passengers.

The name is Porter 7th Dec 2019 11:38

It's all in the OT eh? That's what makes your salary good eh? So once you're F&D are exhausted you wash the the plane? Do admin? Data entry? Awesome.

Squawk7700 7th Dec 2019 18:58


Originally Posted by longrass (Post 10634256)
You also can’t lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive.

If only that was true! I’d love a job where I could never lose it, especially if I lost my medical or they outsourced their flying contracts, because that’s never happened before!

geeup 8th Dec 2019 01:42


havick 8th Dec 2019 08:25


Originally Posted by j3pipercub (Post 10633695)
Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

j3

L3, Mag aerospace and a few others put low time guys in charge of 350’s doing similar jobs for the US DOD all over the world, not just flying circles around Victoria. That being said their pilots are being paid north of 160k USD 3 weeks on/off.


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