Originally Posted by Sunfish

There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.

I got a positive answer to the question I asked and responded at post#20. The rest is ad hominem BS.

To put it another way “Darwinism”, you obviously haven’t read the discussion.

The vast majority of the RAAF restricted airspace is offshore, where I imagine that most light GA traffic aren’t interested in going.

You and your ilk are too stupid to realise that we live in a dynamic world (“dynamic = characterised by constant change). What I am trying to explain to all you boiling frogs is that the glass wasn’t always completely empty. It doesn’t have to be empty in future either.

The boiling frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled because the temperature change is gradual. So has been the loss of your aviation freedoms. ASICS, the continual attempts at encroachment by bureaucrats on your basic operations in the name of “safety”, the use of the criminal code, capricious enforcement, etc., etc. and you think this is normal??? Perhaps to you it is. I remember different times - and that allows me to think of different possibilities for the future.

You are obviously content with the status quo, I see a trend to even more authoritarianism in the future, for example, how would you like your stupid little “e-health” record to be automatically shared with CASA Avmed? That is only the beginning of how “big data” is potentially going to change your life and freedoms.

And now the days of just walking into a hangar without an ASIC are gone on some airports, then there is the OH&S crowd, then there is what has been done Angel Flight and Glen Buckley, and you sit there, Pangloss like, and think you live in the best of all possible worlds? You have been conditioned like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to enjoy your captivity!

To put it another way, how horrified would you be to learn that when I was a kid, I carried my military rifle to school or the range on public transport. Think of it! Whole cities would be in lockdown if that happened today! There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.

Originally Posted by LeadSled (Post 10602095)

flighthappens,
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
Tootle pip!!

Sqawk7700,
You miss the whole point, most of the on shore restricted airspace should not be restricted at all, eliminating most of the need for the negotiations, to which you refer.
You are grateful for being thrown crumbs ---- sad.
Just have a look at the standard size for a US or NATO/RAF zone, compared to here.
As to "light", GA, RAOz, and all the other alphabet soup orgs.
And to further disappoint you, my RAOz membership and medical is all up to date.

Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10602757)

The point is that we used to trust people in Australia. Apparently not any more. We are back in the old days where the Government treats us like convicts.

Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 10603469)

You've clearly not gone through security at JFK in a Pilots uniform recently...….

Okay, I’ll bite. You want to know what your problem is Sunfish?

You fit into a profile not dis-similar to Dick Smith when it comes to using this forum to try and gain traction for political agendas.

That MO goes something like this:
1. Start a post about something you are genuinely already convinced about and in which your view can not be swayed
2. Disguise it, using the title of your post as a question as if you want feedback and to hear what others have experienced or feel
about this area.
3. Attempt to systematically destroy or minimise evidence or view points which contradict your original one
4. Here’s the pièce de résistance... Introduce a false dilemma type argument - the old “you’re either completely with me, or completely against me”. For example, in a thread about RAAF promoting GA, discuss whether people in Switzerland should be allowed to take their military service rifles on public transport.
5. Wrap it all up with some sorrow and attempt to illicit sympathy and garner support that way from the people you’ve stereotyped and belittled in the first place (“I was once in a gay wedding ceremony”).

Other, even more juvenile techniques you’ve tried to successfully employ include:
- throwing of insults (“boiling frogs”)
- hands in the air Helen Lovejoy style (“ I will now shut up on this subject.“ followed by nothing of the sort)
- segregation (assuming anyone who doesn’t agree with you is LGBTI)
- talking down (“dynamic = constantly changing” - thanks for explaining that little gem to the peasants, sure to get people on side)

So a little advice from this heterosexually married with three kids whom you’ve branded as being with “them”, you know the social justice, LBGTI, govenrment captives...

1. Don’t ask questions about things on which you are SURE you already have the answer. This is the most important piece of advice - you’re setting yourself up for anger and heartache every time.
2. Don’t attack and shoot down people who don’t give you the answer you’re looking for. Again, see point 1 to avoid this.
3. Avoid false dilemma arguments.

You asked if the RAAF promote GA. And several of the posters have indicated they do, such as
- supporting and encouraging pilots to fly GA on weekend when their hours are low
- Pearce flying club (which unfortunately had to be relocated)
- Highly ranked Air Force officers with obvious personal interest in GA and private aircraft ownership

I’ve never been in the forces. But thanks to the responses to your post, it would appear to me that the RAAF is most definitely not anti-GA.

Thanks for clearing it up 👍

So a little advice from this heterosexually married with three kids whom you’ve branded as being with “them”, you know the social justice, LBGTI, govenrment captives...

1. Don’t ask questions about things on which you are SURE you already have the answer. This is the most important piece of advice - you’re setting yourself up for anger and heartache every time.
2. Don’t attack and shoot down people who don’t give you the answer you’re looking for. Again, see point 1 to avoid this.
3. Avoid false dilemma arguments.