ASIC skit
For those who haven’t seen it. |
Gold Sunny, Gold.
about all that's left for us these days a good laugh. Incidentally, rumour has it you can get a perfectly good ASIC in Punchbowl for twenty bucks. You couldn't make this sh$%t up. |
Next week: Hitler finds out he’s been refused an ASIC due to an adverse criminal history. rumour has it you can get a perfectly good ASIC in Punchbowl for twenty bucks. |
Originally Posted by YPJT
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id question the perfectly good part |
Originally Posted by smiling monkey
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It doesn't have to be perfectly good because no one checks them. It's the biggest aviation scam in the world. There should be a government inquiry in to this to see who benefits from this scam.
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There should be a government inquiry in to this to see who benefits from this scam. So, I'd say the only ones who really benefit from the $$$s that have to be paid for the ASIC idiocy are the government and the issuers. :mad: Thorn Bird......can you send me the address of the Punchbowl outfit please? :p |
What would happen if we all just let our ASICs expire and just continued on doing what we do? |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10533903)
What would happen if we all just let our ASICs expire and just continued on doing what we do? |
What would happen if we all just let our ASICs expire and just continued on doing what we do? |
Looks like the interrogation room at Fort Fumble
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Originally Posted by The sod
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Looks like the interrogation room at Fort Fumble
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Just a small factual error: CASA didn't introduce ASIC's. They are just an issuing authority as are many other organisations.
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TIEW is correct. ASICs were not the 'brainchild' - perhaps brainfart would be the more accurate description - of CASA.
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no, it wasn't the CASA. it was DoTaRS and in particular, a reject from the department of health who had this idea about kerosene baths...
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I'm sure someone will arrange a correction to the video ...
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You know, the most stupid part of the whole thing is that we are sitting around complaining about all the **** they throw at us, instead of working together and doing anything about it. No wonder they think we're easy marks.... because we are.
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Manwell,
I would not say that the pilot fraternity are easy marks, however they have been conspicuous by their absence in the plethora of consultation that has taken place over several years.. Even the TWU has in the past had their people attending and pushing their concerns. So much of the ASIC requirements are now tied up in legislation which is neither quickly or easily changed even if you are able to give the Department a compelling case and get them to agree and take it to the minister. |
How about mass civil disobedience and tell em to all get stuffed? They can’t ground everyone. |
Commercial pilots won’t civil disobedience sh*t. They’ve been there and done that, and lost. |
How about mass civil disobedience and tell em to all get stuffed? They can’t ground everyone |
Agree with Lead balloon and YPJT, waste of time and energy, look at Hong Kong, millions on the streets and in the end likely a lot of people will get hurt.
Unfortunately the Bureaucrats have us by the short and curlies and there's not much that we can do about it. Logical argument and facts do no good, too much money going into too many pockets. Short of catching the brown paper bag being handed over, corruption, especially the so called 'Soft' corruption that is rampant in Australia is very difficult to prove, without some sort of judicial enquiry and I can't see that happening. There's just not enough of us to influence anybody in government that the cost of such an enquiry would be justified. the axiom, Money talks bullsh@#t walks, was ever thus. Can anyone imagine CAsA agreeing that they are incapable of writing clear, concise and effective legislation? Can anyone imagine the government agreeing that the so called 'privatisation' of aviation infrastructure has done nothing but create massive parasitic monopolies, or opened the way for development sharks to siphon huge amounts of money to foreign climes, with very little being spent on improving aviation infrastructure? Can anyone imagine government admitting that aspects of their security program are nothing but a very expensive sideshow? |
This whole ripoff, farcical ASIC process is easily fixed. Simply require all pilot and licensed engineers to undergo a 'once off' fit & proper person assessment. Any subsequent criminal acts would be notifiable and the FPP could be withdrawn. Ergo, if you are naughty, no more licence.
Entry to secure areas would then only require the FPP to carry his/her licence and some other acceptable photo ID, such as a passport or driver's licence. Works just fine in NZ. Re civil disobedience - it could be effective if done en-mass. If everyone agreed to turn up for duty on a given date (having duly notified the authorities of that date) sans ASIC, but with other proper ID and their licences, what would likely happen? Aviation may cease temporarily, government would be forced to intervene and a process as described above could be fast tracked. |
Mach E,
ever tried to herd cats? |
Cats would be easier to organise than pilots.
Government is another matter. There are ways to bring petty bureaucrats to heel. Hopefully, somewhere amongst this current mob would be a Minister with the cojones to reign in the ASIC Empire if they shut down aviation for wont of a pissy little plastic card. But sadly we know the collective for pilots.... A 'whinge'. That is all most of them do. So, you are right, the ASIC will remain a pox on all of us. |
Simply require all pilot and licensed engineers to undergo a 'once off' fit & proper person assessment. Any subsequent criminal acts would be notifiable and the FPP could be withdrawn. Ergo, if you are naughty, no more licence. what would likely happen? government would be forced to intervene |
All true if individuals go it alone. But if several thousand commercial pilots and a similar number of LAMEs gave notice of intent to engage in ‘civil disobedience’ (for want of a better word) and showed resolve in carrying it out, the ASIC could be made to go away (for licensed personnel at least), or the process made much less onerous. Unlike 1989, we are at a sweet spot in the employment cycle where pilots can not be replaced in large numbers, so mass sackings would not occur. There was a time when Aussies had a reputation for challenging and even disobeying authority when they thought it idiotic. Not any more. We are law abiding to the point of mindlessness. So, this thread has degenerated into another futile whinge about our aviation security system, along with all the other whinges about big bad CASA. But the OP’s skit was indeed funny. |
Works just fine in NZ. |
The Kiwi card application process is relatively simple, costs a mere $60 and is good for three years. Also, there are many airports where it is not necessary, so many pilots get by without it. Compare with our own ASIC......... |
However at the airports where you are required to have and display one, the systems are basically the same, so the assertion that the NZ ID system is different is not correct. Like Australia, you are required to have and display an ID card if at a Security Designated Airport. The difference is that NZ only has 5 of them (effectively international ops, or RPT aircraft with 90 or more seats). The problem in Aus is not the ID system, it is the over zealous categorisation of airports and operations for security purposes.
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And the higher cost. And the shorter duration. And the unnecessary proof of identity requirements. And it doesn’t work. But apart from that, it’s a great system. |
Or as Arther used to say "What a nice little earner"
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I have been refused airside access (while working) to an airport, despite possessing and displaying a valid AUS ASIC, simply because I didn't have a separate ID card for that specific airport. What a great system and a great use of $250.
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I didn't say it was a great system. Unfortunately ASICs are just a small part of a much larger broken system, other parts of which need to be fixed first before you can tackle ASICs
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I have been refused airside access |
Thanks for implying I was heading off to do "whatever I like", rather than, my job.
--Should also be noted that only possessing an ASIC was justification enough to enter other airside areas of this airport |
I don't make the rules, champ. I just follow them like everyone else.
Should also be noted that only possessing an ASIC was justification enough to enter other airside areas of this airport |
....in other words, it is not fit for purpose. |
it was DoTaRS and in particular, a reject from the department of health who had this idea about kerosene baths... If civil disobedience is on order then I would be inclined to start small and let the ASIC renewal lapse for a year or two. So far mine has lapsed 9 years. |
in other words, it is not fit for purpose. |
And the purpose of an ASIC is to provide that very special kind of warm inner glow of security that can only be generated by a complete (and very expensive) facade. |
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