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ericsson16 22nd Jun 2019 08:18

Hawaii Plane Crash
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48729071

ve3id 22nd Jun 2019 13:33

Looks like a repeat of this three years ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ve-people-dead

tail wheel 22nd Jun 2019 21:51

Oahu Parachute Center - there web site shows what appears to be a King Air A90 N256TA?

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/06/beechcraft-a90-king-air-n256ta-fatal.html

Seems an odd choice of aircraft for parachuting? Only charge $20 per parachutist to 14K, subject to total 13 parachutists per flight.

Airclues 22nd Jun 2019 21:59

From the BBC article;


It is not yet clear whether the plane was taking off or landing.
If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!

ramble on 22nd Jun 2019 22:28


Originally Posted by Airclues (Post 10500684)
From the BBC article;

If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!

I am a bit testy Airclues so forgive me but there is nothing wrong with that BBC line - it is always possible they could have been returning with a problem that developed at low level or even takeoff. That will often catch out an inexperienced pilot who has not landed with a full load and a distracting problem.

You know the old saying about keeping your mouth shut and just looking the fool rather than opening it and removing all doubt...

machtuk 22nd Jun 2019 23:16

The plane was an old Queenair, 11 deceased....so sad🙁

sms777 23rd Jun 2019 02:20


Originally Posted by tail wheel (Post 10500675)
Oahu Parachute Center - there web site shows what appears to be a King Air A90 N256TA?

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/06/beechcraft-a90-king-air-n256ta-fatal.html

Seems an odd choice of aircraft for parachuting? Only charge $20 per parachutist to 14K, subject to total 13 parachutists per flight.

Are you serious?......$20 per parachutist doesn't even cover fuel cost.
"machtuk" If you read the link tail wheel posted, it clearly states aircraft type and POB.

pbwhi0 23rd Jun 2019 02:51

lol...:ok:

pbwhi0 23rd Jun 2019 02:54


Originally Posted by Airclues (Post 10500684)
From the BBC article;



If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!

Sorry, should have quoted the reply I was commenting on.

lol :ok:

Fris B. Fairing 23rd Jun 2019 04:38

Thread on R&N. Seems the aeroplane had a previous near-death experience.

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...down-oahu.html

Dora-9 23rd Jun 2019 18:42


The plane was an old Queenair
A Beech 65-A90 is a King Air, not a Queen Air.

tail wheel 23rd Jun 2019 21:45


Are you serious?......$20 per parachutist doesn't even cover fuel cost.
Check their web site! I don't know how they make 13 x $20 = $260 total income cover more than a fraction of the operating costs. The A90s had -6 or -10 engines. Two cycles and taxi fuel would just about chew up the total income.

Squawk7700 24th Jun 2019 00:33


Originally Posted by tail wheel (Post 10501429)
Check their web site! I don't know how they make 13 x $20 = $260 total income cover more than a fraction of the operating costs. The A90s had -6 or -10 engines. Two cycles and taxi fuel would just about chew up the total income.

It’s not $20 per person, that is the discount for group bookings.

https://www.oahuparachutecenter.com/tandem-skydives

$200 for a tandem.

tail wheel 24th Jun 2019 08:06

https://www.oahuparachutecenter.com/

Run the film clip:

"Every Saturday Lift Tickets to 14K will only be $20!!"

"That's right $20 to 14K"

"The only catch is all 13 slots must be filled"


Is a "Lift" not a ride to 14,000 feet?


Squawk7700 24th Jun 2019 08:29


Originally Posted by tail wheel (Post 10501642)
https://www.oahuparachutecenter.com/

Run the film clip:

"Every Saturday Lift Tickets to 14K will only be $20!!"

"That's right $20 to 14K"

"The only catch is all 13 slots must be filled"


Is a "Lift" not a ride to 14,000 feet?

Their standard jumps for qualified jumpers are $32 to 14k. Pretty good. With the current exchange rate, about 90 Australian pesos. The aircraft would have to come down vertically to make any profit out of that.

Stickshift3000 24th Jun 2019 11:18


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10501652)


Their standard jumps for qualified jumpers are $32 to 14k. Pretty good. With the current exchange rate, about 90 Australian pesos. The aircraft would have to come down vertically to make any profit out of that.

At the current exchange rate USD$32 is less than AUD$48 (BYO chute...).

sheppey 24th Jun 2019 14:27

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...16LA150&akey=1

A similar stall/spin King Air accident. Fortunately all survived on that occasion. The aircraft entered an inadvertent nine turn spin and was only recoverable after the pilot feathered both propellers. Unusual recovery technique. Change of airflow over the tail surfaces maybe?

Fris B. Fairing 25th Jun 2019 01:04

sheppey
It was the same aeroplane.

cooperplace 25th Jun 2019 01:54

Yeah, and on landing was found to be missing the R horizontal stabilizer and elevator! As a 1967 aircraft, that might have been clue to retire it permanently.

Ixixly 28th Jun 2019 10:59

In regards to profit, if it's a skydive centre then sometimes it's run to benefit members so they make their money on the Tandems and keep the costs super low for the solo jumpers with their own tickets.

Pretty tragic, hope they find a cause, RIP.


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