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Hawaii Plane Crash

Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:18
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Hawaii Plane Crash

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48729071
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 14:33
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Looks like a repeat of this three years ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ve-people-dead
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:51
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Oahu Parachute Center - there web site shows what appears to be a King Air A90 N256TA?

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/06/beechcraft-a90-king-air-n256ta-fatal.html

Seems an odd choice of aircraft for parachuting? Only charge $20 per parachutist to 14K, subject to total 13 parachutists per flight.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:59
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From the BBC article;

It is not yet clear whether the plane was taking off or landing.
If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!
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Originally Posted by Airclues View Post
From the BBC article;

If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!
I am a bit testy Airclues so forgive me but there is nothing wrong with that BBC line - it is always possible they could have been returning with a problem that developed at low level or even takeoff. That will often catch out an inexperienced pilot who has not landed with a full load and a distracting problem.

You know the old saying about keeping your mouth shut and just looking the fool rather than opening it and removing all doubt...

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The plane was an old Queenair, 11 deceased....so sad🙁
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:20
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
Oahu Parachute Center - there web site shows what appears to be a King Air A90 N256TA?

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/06/beechcraft-a90-king-air-n256ta-fatal.html

Seems an odd choice of aircraft for parachuting? Only charge $20 per parachutist to 14K, subject to total 13 parachutists per flight.
Are you serious?......$20 per parachutist doesn't even cover fuel cost.
"machtuk" If you read the link tail wheel posted, it clearly states aircraft type and POB.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:51
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lol...
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:54
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Originally Posted by Airclues View Post
From the BBC article;



If it was carrying skydivers I would have thought that it was obvious!
Sorry, should have quoted the reply I was commenting on.

lol
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 05:38
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Thread on R&N. Seems the aeroplane had a previous near-death experience.

King Air down in Oahu
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 19:42
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The plane was an old Queenair
A Beech 65-A90 is a King Air, not a Queen Air.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 22:45
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Are you serious?......$20 per parachutist doesn't even cover fuel cost.
Check their web site! I don't know how they make 13 x $20 = $260 total income cover more than a fraction of the operating costs. The A90s had -6 or -10 engines. Two cycles and taxi fuel would just about chew up the total income.
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Check their web site! I don't know how they make 13 x $20 = $260 total income cover more than a fraction of the operating costs. The A90s had -6 or -10 engines. Two cycles and taxi fuel would just about chew up the total income.
Itís not $20 per person, that is the discount for group bookings.

https://www.oahuparachutecenter.com/tandem-skydives

$200 for a tandem.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 09:06
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Run the film clip:

"Every Saturday Lift Tickets to 14K will only be $20!!"

"That's right $20 to 14K"

"The only catch is all 13 slots must be filled"


Is a "Lift" not a ride to 14,000 feet?

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Old 24th Jun 2019, 09:29
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
https://www.oahuparachutecenter.com/

Run the film clip:

"Every Saturday Lift Tickets to 14K will only be $20!!"

"That's right $20 to 14K"

"The only catch is all 13 slots must be filled"


Is a "Lift" not a ride to 14,000 feet?
Their standard jumps for qualified jumpers are $32 to 14k. Pretty good. With the current exchange rate, about 90 Australian pesos. The aircraft would have to come down vertically to make any profit out of that.
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Their standard jumps for qualified jumpers are $32 to 14k. Pretty good. With the current exchange rate, about 90 Australian pesos. The aircraft would have to come down vertically to make any profit out of that.
At the current exchange rate USD$32 is less than AUD$48 (BYO chute...).
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 15:27
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https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...16LA150&akey=1

A similar stall/spin King Air accident. Fortunately all survived on that occasion. The aircraft entered an inadvertent nine turn spin and was only recoverable after the pilot feathered both propellers. Unusual recovery technique. Change of airflow over the tail surfaces maybe?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 02:04
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It was the same aeroplane.
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Yeah, and on landing was found to be missing the R horizontal stabilizer and elevator! As a 1967 aircraft, that might have been clue to retire it permanently.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 11:59
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In regards to profit, if it's a skydive centre then sometimes it's run to benefit members so they make their money on the Tandems and keep the costs super low for the solo jumpers with their own tickets.

Pretty tragic, hope they find a cause, RIP.
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