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YAK52 Missing Southport
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Not another one.
Most will remember the last YAK accident off Stradbroke Island. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-09-...r-fatal/498448 |
Yes, but there was SSOOO much more going on with the Barry Hempel crash than a simple crash...
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Unlike the 2008 flight this one appears to be a private flight according to the news story. |
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Any idea of the rego?
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Very sad all around. I'm hoping it's not VH-AQI
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ATSB
Investigation number: AO-2019-027 Collision with water involving a Yakovlev Aircraft Factories Yak-52, VH-PAE, near South Stradbroke Island, Queensland, on 5 June 2019https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2019-027/ |
Apparently the main portion of the wreck has been found, along with the unfortunately deceased pilot.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ab8a8325137524 |
Oh that's just dreadful -:( flying is risky we each accept those risks -:( such is life...RIP |
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What is the,story with these YAKs.....they keep on crashing with no reason.
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Originally Posted by sms777
(Post 10489171)
What is the,story with these YAKs.....they keep on crashing with no reason.
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What is the,story with these YAKs.....they keep on crashing with no reason. |
The last two have crashed with very experienced pilots at the controls.......just wondering...
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Originally Posted by sms777
(Post 10489727)
The last two have crashed with very experienced pilots at the controls.......just wondering...
i was was thinking the same thing? Hope they find out the reason or at least the probability. |
The "Previous One" has a Coroners Court finding, which is available on line...https://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data...r-20131004.pdf
Don't see that the aircraft is to blame there.. The "Current One"....no idea, but for me, I'll wait for the report. However both cases both tragic and sad. |
Originally Posted by RatsoreA
(Post 10486816)
Yes, but there was SSOOO much more going on with the Barry Hempel crash than a simple crash...
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Originally Posted by Square Bear
(Post 10489761)
The "Previous One" has a Coroners Court finding, which is available on line...https://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data...r-20131004.pdf
Don't see that the aircraft is to blame there... |
Originally Posted by djpil
(Post 10490137)
No-one thought to mention the possibility of FOD jamming the controls, for example, and instead seemed towards steering to this assumption: "The evidence at the inquest was that the plane was in good mechanical condition having just recently received a new engine and a new propeller."
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Current occurrence dual control?
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Originally Posted by djpil
(Post 10490137)
No-one thought to mention the possibility of FOD jamming the controls, for example, and instead seemed towards steering to this assumption: "The evidence at the inquest was that the plane was in good mechanical condition having just recently received a new engine and a new propeller."
Originally Posted by The Coroners Report
In this case the inquest was confined to the examination of the elevator trim, a propeller blade and a foreign object defence barrier (FOD) retrieved from the ocean. Mr Hempel and Mr Lovell were found in situ and their bodies were recovered by Queensland Police Service divers. I directed that an examination should be conducted of the FOD to determine if any object had fallen from pockets, such as cameras et cetera, could have penetrated the FOD and thereby interfered with the controls of the aircraft. This was done and the FOD was found to be intact.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10490287)
Seems to me it was looked at and excluded.
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Originally Posted by djpil
(Post 10490298)
"In this case the inquest was confined to the examination of the elevator trim, a propeller blade and a foreign object defence barrier (FOD) retrieved from the ocean. .. I directed that an examination should be conducted of the FOD to determine if any object had fallen from pockets, such as cameras et cetera, could have penetrated the FOD and thereby interfered with the controls of the aircraft. This was done and the FOD was found to be intact." The FOD was examined .... specifically the foreign object defence barrier, fine as far as it went but a very limited assessment ... it certainly does not exclude FOD (foreign objects, in general, debris or damage) as the cause.
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It is possible for perfectly serviceable aircraft in the hands of perfectly serviceable pilots to end up broken and dead. Think Tom Moon and Pip Borrman, among others. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10490878)
It is possible for perfectly serviceable aircraft in the hands of perfectly serviceable pilots to end up broken and dead. Think Tom Moon and Pip Borrman, among others. |
Nonetheless, it is possible for perfectly serviceable aircraft in the hands of perfectly serviceable pilots to end up broken and dead. Perfectly serviceable aircraft can still suffer failures. Perfectly serviceable does not mean guaranteed not to fail. Perfectly serviceable pilots can still make mistakes. Perfectly serviceable does not mean guaranteed not to make mistakes. Care should be taken not to give the regulator (even more) justification to pursue the impossible regulatory fantasy. |
Proposing another possibility here. Healthy fit guy, confident takes young attractve girl for an aerobatic flight/adventure wth the CTA step 3000( allowing 500' clearance) in a high perf A/C that are known to bite if pushed hard enough under certain maneuvers especially at low Alt. Performs a stunt that goes wrong. Not enough height to recover, two dead, showboating perhaps? I guess at the end of the day the authorities may never know the cause -:( |
Possibility is especially likely seeing he was witnessed doing the same sort of thing(2 X barrel rolls) five weeks before the accident on take-off out of Dunwich with female(blonde, attractive) as passenger.
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I'll ask again.
Was the aircraft dual control? |
Originally Posted by Possum1
(Post 10491754)
Possibility is especially likely seeing he was witnessed doing the same sort of thing(2 X barrel rolls) five weeks before the accident on take-off out of Dunwich with female(blonde, attractive) as passenger.
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Originally Posted by currawong
(Post 10491757)
I'll ask again.
Was the aircraft dual control? |
Thanks, Cloudee.
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Originally Posted by sms777
(Post 10489727)
The last two have crashed with very experienced pilots at the controls.......just wondering...
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I was going by the words of the President of the Southport Flying Club saying he was "very experienced".
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If you’ve allegedly been doing barrel rolls on takeoff with a passenger, you’re not giving yourself much of a chance of long term survival. |
Folks,
As most, but not all, who have flown them would agree, the Yak 52 is a delightful airplane to fly ---- for a "real pilot". Its low speed handling is such that it can and will catch you out if you neglect its well known and published characteristics, it is in my NSHO, quite predictable, and I think it is an excellent basic trainer. Given its aerobatic capabilities, this aircraft covers a spectrum of performance that is matched by few others --- I am hedging, because I can't think of even one. However, given its characteristics, it will "sort the men from the boys" (if I can still use such a non-PC expression) , and if you are too close to Terra Firma it is going to hurt. Always fly in the middle of the air, the bad things all happen at the edges. Tootle pip!! |
Originally Posted by sms777
(Post 10493987)
I was going by the words of the President of the Southport Flying Club saying he was "very experienced".
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Originally Posted by MakeItHappenCaptain
(Post 10495016)
Well, he’s not likely to confirm there was a cowboy flying out of his exclusive little domain now, is he? (This is in no way alleging the deceased pilot was a cowboy, despite Squawk’s heresay.) |
This NZ Yak-52 crash was suspected to have been caused by FOD - a screwdriver was found out n the wreckage. https://www.caa.govt.nz/public-and-m...ak-accident-2/ I have a few hours in a Yak-52 and I absolutely agree with LeadSled’s comments. A delight to fly but like all high performance aircraft, it can ‘bite’ the inexperienced or the foolhardy. |
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