Isn't there an AD/Cessna 210/61 to do with checking corrosion in the wing spar carry through every 6 years? Would evidence of fatigue cracking be discovered during these inspections? Or does it just suddenly occur ?
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As I read the SL it states, and I am sure Cessna will not mind a quote here,
"The Carry-Thru spar inspection presented in this service letter applies to airplanes listed in the Effectivity Section. The compliance time is for unmodified airplanes, and represents the maximum allowable time. Airplanes that have been modified to alter the airplane design, gross weight, or airplane performance, may need to inspect sooner. Examples of common supplemental type certificates (STC’s) include vortex generators, wing cuffs, STOL kits, wing tips, and add-on wing fuel tanks. Contact the STC holder for revised inspection intervals. MANDATORY. This service document must be accomplished within 10 flight hours from date of receipt as follows...>" So I would say it is not strictly true that it "does not apply to modified aircraft." If you have any modifications it could well be that the ten hours to compliance will be less. And I'll bet that most of the STC holders have yet to do an analysis on the the stress loadings for their mod. If I had tip tanks on a high time C210 that has not been eddy current tested I would put it on the ground now and get it done. In some countries this SB has been done at (I think) every 2,000 hours as a mandatory procedure for years. |
In some countries this SB has been done at (I think) every 2,000 hours as a mandatory procedure for years. |
In most cases this "mandatory" Service Letter is not required to be carried out in Australia. (This will vary with some AWI's)
Different if it is a Service Bulletin. Cessna have passed on responsibility of modified aircraft. I have heard that 1 in 4 (25%) that have been inspected in the USA failed - I am not sure if that was due corrosion limits and/or cracking. I expect an FAA AD will soon follow and booking your NDT now might be a smart move - An owner/operator saying "but SL's are not mandatory" should be looking for a new pilot. |
“6,000 hours of fast low flying in rough conditions” Are you sure they fly fast? Most survey work is done at slower speeds to get better resolution. If their operations are 200AGL or less, it may not be nearly as rough as one imagines. The thermals will not have had time to build and accelerate. |
One thing to think about is Cessna, and will they supply new Carry-Thru Spars?
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Originally Posted by lucille
(Post 10505056)
“6,000 hours of fast low flying in rough conditions” Are you sure they fly fast? Most survey work is done at slower speeds to get better resolution. If their operations are 200AGL or less, it may not be nearly as rough as one imagines. The thermals will not have had time to build and accelerate. From the ATSB: OperationThe flight was one of a number of flights undertaken for the purpose of a geological survey to the north and north-east of Mount Isa.The survey was conducted in a grid pattern, with closely spaced east and west lines along with more widely spaced north and south lines flown for data verification purposes. The flight profile closely followed the topography of the survey area at a speed of about 140-150 kt with procedure turns flown at each end of a survey line. Each flight typically lasted for about 5 hours with multiple flights required to complete each survey. Two flights were normally flown each day in accordance with allowable environmental and daylight conditions, each flight on a given day being operated by a different pilot. The aircraft typically departed with full fuel, resulting in it operating at close to the maximum allowable take-off weight. |
An owner/operator saying "but SL's are not mandatory" Ya all take heed out there. |
Originally Posted by The Big E
(Post 10505205)
It is not what the Name of the Document is - It is the actual content that needs attention or the required Maintenance etc. This SB and SL myth has been perpetuated for a long time. Look how McCauley have updated some of their older Prop. Manuals over the years, e.g. through the use of SLs.
Ya all take heed out there. |
Digging a bit deeper into the SL and the documents that it references. I am working on the C177 figures but as far as we see the C210 is the same, as it has essentially the same carry through spar structure.
The documents for reference includes Temporary Revision number 8 dated 1 December 2011 (for the C177) which defined Severe usage and Severe environments. Severe Usage is defined below, and for Australia all the coastline and inland for about 500km is considered as severe environment. (It is difficult to see the scale on the corrosion maps but it looks about 500km to a non Oz) The SL goes on to say that: For airplanes flown in SEVERE Usage as defined in Section 2A-10-00:
2. Inspection Requirements A. Two types of inspection requirements are available based on operating usage and two additional types of inspections are available based on operating environment. (1) Operating Usage
(a) Severe Corrosion Environment 1 If the airplane is operating more than 30% of the time in a zone shown as severe on the corrosion severity maps in Section 2A-30-01, then the SEVERE CORROSION environment time limits apply. (b) Mild or Moderate Corrosion Environment 1 If 2(A)(2)(a)(1) does not apply, then the MILD/MODERATE CORROSION environment time limits apply. So your low level aircraft around the coast of Australia come under the Severe Usage 2500 hour limit as above. For airplanes flown in TYPICAL Usage as defined in Section 2A-10-00: (ie not Severe usage)
That is if CASA even follows the American SL/SB system, which as a non Oz I do not know. FWIW |
Originally Posted by anxiao
(Post 10505716)
Digging a bit deeper into the SL and the documents that it references. I am working on the C177 figures but as far as we see the C210 is the same, as it has essentially the same carry through spar structure.
The documents for reference includes Temporary Revision number 8 dated 1 December 2011 (for the C177) which defined Severe usage and Severe environments. Severe Usage is defined below, and for Australia all the coastline and inland for about 500km is considered as severe environment. (It is difficult to see the scale on the corrosion maps but it looks about 500km to a non Oz) The SL goes on to say that: For airplanes flown in SEVERE Usage as defined in Section 2A-10-00:
2. Inspection Requirements A. Two types of inspection requirements are available based on operating usage and two additional types of inspections are available based on operating environment. (1) Operating Usage
(a) Severe Corrosion Environment 1 If the airplane is operating more than 30% of the time in a zone shown as severe on the corrosion severity maps in Section 2A-30-01, then the SEVERE CORROSION environment time limits apply. (b) Mild or Moderate Corrosion Environment 1 If 2(A)(2)(a)(1) does not apply, then the MILD/MODERATE CORROSION environment time limits apply. So your low level aircraft around the coast of Australia come under the Severe Usage 2500 hour limit as above. For airplanes flown in TYPICAL Usage as defined in Section 2A-10-00: (ie not Severe usage)
That is if CASA even follows the American SL/SB system, which as a non Oz I do not know. FWIW In Australia (depending on your CAsA personal) most systems of maintenance have required "Mandatory Service Bulletins" to be carried out, but not Service Letters. That said - I do not recall seeing a Service Letter classed as mandatory before. |
I see your point. If the 30% usage under stressful conditions is taken, then the examples given of "pipeline patrol, fish or game spotting, aerial applications, police patrol, sightseeing, livestock management, etc." would very likely make up 30% of a C210s life in Australia.
Putting it in "Severe use" and back to 2500 hrs inspection. Less likely for a C177 which may well have been privately owned for recreational flying. |
My apologies for duff gen.
The "Typical" hours of 15,000 came from the C177 letter. The C210 letter quotes
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Originally Posted by anxiao
(Post 10506692)
My apologies for duff gen.
The "Typical" hours of 15,000 came from the C177 letter. The C210 letter quotes
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While not specifically related to the C210 or C177, this is another example of the Technical Maintenance content of a Service Letter which forms part of the Manufacturers Instructions for Continued Airworthiness.
Once again, it is the Technical content, and not what the Document is actually entitled. Get that. Em nau. |
No, thermals build quick enough and their more sudden. The 210 is fairly slippery ,so after coming down a hill your moving along
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Low level survey in hot countries would rate as the most severe, a lot more than other airwork ops. In fact I was told that 1 hour of mag survey amounts to 3 hours "normal flying".
I heard that this 210 failed at a different area of the fuse that is usually inspected. MC |
The spar would get checked every 100 Hrly
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Originally Posted by Murray Cod
(Post 10508270)
Low level survey in hot countries would rate as the most severe, a lot more than other airwork ops. In fact I was told that 1 hour of mag survey amounts to 3 hours "normal flying".
I heard that this 210 failed at a different area of the fuse that is usually inspected. MC |
The crack was initially started from a pin piont on the lower side of the centre section. The crack went internal as could not be sighted from the outside.. the only way that the crack would have been visable would have been via a NDT inspection.
there was NO visable indiication under normal eye sight. this accident was the first recorded failure of the centre section that is known. |
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