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Com Failure 22nd Apr 2018 05:58


Originally Posted by SPL-101 (Post 10126371)
I have to disagree with you on this.

Everyone else that is working there has a VET FEE debt in the $120k mark & they are earning $42000 as a full time instructor. They finished their aviation degrees in 4 years & I finished my CPL in 5 years. The difference between us? They have a degree & ATPL's completed & I don't. We're all earning the same & flying the same. I don't have a debt at all. My training cost $80k all up. A bare CPL can be done for around $50k. You don't need to get the MEA IFR & FIR as I did.

Just the perspective of another.

$50k? Where? Most schools I've spoken say roughly around $80k or more to get a basic CPL part time, i.e. no Instrument Rating

Flying Bear 22nd Apr 2018 06:41

No offence intended Megan!

I was tailoring my response to the scenario presented to me...

Your points make sense, but sadly it seems as though they may not widely implemented amongst the parenting fraternity!

LeadSled 22nd Apr 2018 08:16


I can’t imagine QF is the place to be teaching these kids a basic crosswind technique,----
Flying Bear,
That's what I would have thought, until I was faced with exactly that, AND --- it is not confined to civilian pilots.
Don't forget that the majority of pilots that now make up the crews of most major European and many Asian airlines had about 250 hours or so when they wound up in the right hand seat of a "heavy" ---- this has been progressively so since the mid-1960s.
I have never been able to really differentiate between a pilot with "bush" time and a pilot who has run up several thousand hours as an instructor. Indeed, I would say that "mentoring" etc. is largely absent and the value of all that "traditional GA" time is a bit of a myth. A devoutly held myth, but still a myth.
Tootle pip!!

Bend alot 22nd Apr 2018 09:17


Originally Posted by LeadSled (Post 10126549)
Flying Bear,
That's what I would have thought, until I was faced with exactly that, AND --- it is not confined to civilian pilots.
Don't forget that the majority of pilots that now make up the crews of most major European and many Asian airlines had about 250 hours or so when they wound up in the right hand seat of a "heavy" ---- this has been progressively so since the mid-1960s.
I have never been able to really differentiate between a pilot with "bush" time and a pilot who has run up several thousand hours as an instructor. Indeed, I would say that "mentoring" etc. is largely absent and the value of all that "traditional GA" time is a bit of a myth. A devoutly held myth, but still a myth.
Tootle pip!!


"Traditional GA" will always have a yarn to tell - but a factual yarn or just a story. Most are not myth.


From knowing the smell of eaten turtle to a scud run in a rapid weather change. I think the idle chat would be a differentiating difference between the two.


Must say the yarns of the Top End differ from that of the Delta "Bush Pilots" differ but have much in common - To have done both is a rich man in life experience. I am sure other such as PNG also makes one have a tale or two to tell.

SPL-101 22nd Apr 2018 13:18


Originally Posted by Com Failure (Post 10126478)
$50k? Where? Most schools I've spoken say roughly around $80k or more to get a basic CPL part time, i.e. no Instrument Rating

If you're in Sydney, I would reccomend you head over to Whitworth Aviation at Bankstown. CPL & MEA IFR would be around the 65K mark doing a 150hr course. There is also Clamback & Hennessy, although I don't know their pricing range, I do know it is similar to Whitworths pricing.

Megan, so far so good to be honest. The job is satisfying, the pay is not, but none of us fly for the money, do we? (I knew what I was getting myself into before I started).

Duck Pilot 23rd Apr 2018 00:00

One solution would be for airlines to team up with the GA operators, including flying schools and form agreements - loose or stringent, whatever works to provide pathways for pilots to learn, get valuable experience either in charter, low capacity RPT or flight instruction and move into an airline.

When we hear that GA operators are closing their doors because they can't hire IFR Pilots, Senior Instructors and suitable Chief Pilots, the future doesn't look very positive.

LeadSled 23rd Apr 2018 00:31

Folks,
In the Sydney area, you will certainly get as good training as anywhere at Whitworths, Bill seems to have an uncanny ability to pick young instructors who rapidly develop into really good instructors.
And he has been in the business since before a lot of you even existed.
Tootle pip!!


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