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AOPA 19th Apr 2018 07:23

Dick Smith - Wagga RSL Media Presentation - Thur 26th April
 
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PUBLIC PRESENTATION BY FORMER CASA CHAIRMAN DICK SMITH - DAMAGE TO AUSTRALIAN AVIATION

THURSDAY 26TH APRIL 2018 - 11AM to 1PM
WAGGA WAGGA RSL - CONFERENCE CENTRE

AOPA Australia member, Dick Smith, will be addressing a public gathering in the city of Wagga Wagga. Come hear about the staggering damage which is being inflicted on the general aviation industry in Australia and particularly on aviation in the bush.

Hear how Australia can become a world leader in flight training and recreational aviation.

AOPA Australia members are all encouraged to attend this event.

The AOPA Australia Members Coach will be departing Bankstown Airport, Thursday 26th April at 5am - sharp. Please call (02) 9791 9099 to reserve your seat - be quick as places are limited.

gerry111 19th Apr 2018 15:12

I reckon that the city of Wagga will come to a stop when Dick and Ben arrive.

(Thank goodness that I realised being a member of AOPA was a complete waste of money 15 years ago.)

Horatio Leafblower 19th Apr 2018 23:07


(Thank goodness that I realised being a member of AOPA was a complete waste of money 15 years ago.)
I reckon that 15 years ago you were correct. I agreed with you.
"This time it's different" and I stumped up and re-joined a couple of years ago.

The other charter operators I know all agree that Regional Aviation Assoc Australia don't give a tinkers about Charter operators - god knows their new CEO said as much to me about 18 months ago.

Gerry111 I don't know what sector of GA or ultralights you consider yourself to be a part of, but AOPA is actively representing the GA industry now and I urge everyone to get behind them.

Dick Smith 20th Apr 2018 09:00

Gerry. Sorry you are so angry.

It’s clear that AOPA is becoming effective politically like AOPA in the USA.

AOPA in the US is second only to the National Rifle Federation as an effective lobbying organisation. Watch out politicians!

gerry111 20th Apr 2018 13:53

Dick, I'm not angry at all. Perhaps I'm pretty frustrated though?

(I've been around GA during the last 25 years of CASA "reforms" and well before then.)

If you really think AOPA Australia is becoming as effective as AOPA in the USA at lobbying, then you are simply deluded. We could learn a lot from them.

Dick Smith 21st Apr 2018 03:00

No. Not as effective. But clearly more effective than it was.

What do you think is the best way forward?

Sunfish 21st Apr 2018 08:50

Negative campaigning in marginal electorates is the only approach that will succeed. CASA and the Department will wear you down in endless committee meetings if you engage wth them ("what precisely do you mean Mr. Smith?"). You will die of old age before the institution changes that way.

The only way forward is for a frightened Government to instruct PM&C to fix the CASA and give AOPA what it wants. You need lessons from the attack dogs of the CFMEU.

Lead Balloon 21st Apr 2018 10:04

Dick

If you want to maximise the leverage you have, you need to spend minimum time defining the problem (commonly called “whinging”) and spend maximum time defining the cause of the problem and what you consider to be the solutions, in words of one syllable.

Purely hypothetically, because these things need to be your earnest opinion...

The problem: Destruction of General Aviation in Australia. Small businesses providing pilot training, passenger transport and aircraft maintenance services cannot survive in the current regulatory environment. Regulatory over-kill, security over-kill and airport charging over-kill mean that Australia is not training enough pilots to meet demand and people are being driven out of aviation as a means of private transportation. Our regional and remote aerodromes are ghost towns compared to what they should be.

The cause: Bipartisan neglect and abrogation of responsibility for promoting and enhancing civil aviation in Australia.

The solution: Do not vote for the major parties until they have done the following things:

- changed the Civil Aviation Act to say....

- done this about the regulatory reform program....

- ceased granting 457 visas for pilots

- enforced airport leases

- make ATCers wear pink bunny suits

- whatever you want to put on the list.

As I say, Dick, you need these lists to contain what you believe.

The only suggestion I can give you is that if you back one major party over another, you are doomed to perpetuate the problem. The problem is the cosy duopoly. They always win when one or the other always gets a turn at the trough. Threaten the duopoly and you’ll get pink bunny suits on demand.

Dick Smith 21st Apr 2018 11:27

Thanks. Good advice. Everyone keep watching. I have not given up on this.

I am fortunate as I can afford the costs and don’t have to earn money from Aviation.

However I am proud of our country and don’t believe these highly paid bureaucrats should be allowed to damage it. Even if they are doing so un intentionally.

gerry111 22nd Apr 2018 13:49

[QUOTE=Dick Smith;10125552What do you think is the best way forward?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps keep a tight rein on Ben at Wagga? For only he has been known to fall for being duchessed, when the limelight fell his way.

Horatio Leafblower 23rd Apr 2018 01:28


For only he has been known to fall for being duchessed, when the limelight fell his way.
Surely you jest? Spencer never fallen for that one?

AOPA 23rd Apr 2018 02:06


Originally Posted by gerry111 (Post 10126794)
Perhaps keep a tight rein on Ben at Wagga? For only he has been known to fall for being duchessed, when the limelight fell his way.

Gerry111 Im really interested, exactly how have I been duchessed?

BEN MORGAN
AOPA Australia Executive Director

Horatio Leafblower 23rd Apr 2018 06:09


Gerry111 Im really interested, exactly how have I been duchessed?
By Aminta in WEU perhaps? :hmm:

gerry111 23rd Apr 2018 06:19

I heard a rumour that Ben heartily congratulated CASA when they announced Class 2 medical reforms. Only to now find those promises to be rather empty.

Dick Smith 23rd Apr 2018 06:43

Gerry. Are the reforms going ahead? Do you have evidence that they are not?

thunderbird five 23rd Apr 2018 07:41

Here's an example perhaps Dick.

We were told that all DAMEs would be able to issue a Class 2 medical for the whole 2 year period or whatever, themself.

Well that's only true, IF they do some online training thing and apply to become a "DAME 2" So we've all been conned, again.

I await to see how they "aviationise" the Austroads drivers medical standard, just like when we were all conned last time over the Driver's Licence Medical - "aviation" to which the average GP said WHAT THE?

Good luck with your meeting Dick, It's a bit far for me.

Ozgrade3 23rd Apr 2018 09:35

Can it be broadcast live on Facebook, too short notice to get there.

Lead Balloon 23rd Apr 2018 11:01

The announced medical certification ‘reforms’ are, as a matter of practicality, mostly a scam.

Horatio Leafblower 23rd Apr 2018 11:13


The announced medical certification ‘reforms’ are, as a matter of practicality, mostly a scam.
Oh OK.
So we should all just have a cup of tea and forget about it then. You're right.

Lead Balloon 23rd Apr 2018 11:18

No. My apologies if that’s the implication of my post. It’s not intended.

I was merely trying to comment on the particular point raised by GIII: Care needs to be taken not to congratulate where congratulations are not due. CASA medical certification ‘reform’ is an area in which congratulations are not due.

gerry111 23rd Apr 2018 13:58

Ben, Have you ever applied for a medical to fly an aircraft in Australia? Perhaps if so, when and where?

There's quite a few of us, out there, that rely on CASA AVMED to allow us to travel around our beautiful country flying GA.

Dick Smith 23rd Apr 2018 23:00


Originally Posted by Ozgrade3 (Post 10127452)
Can it be broadcast live on Facebook, too short notice to get there.


I will make a podcast and post it on this site a few days after the presentation

Dick

Fantome 24th Apr 2018 00:38

Dick. .. . is it okay to land at Bowylie?

AOPA 24th Apr 2018 01:40

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Originally Posted by gerry111 (Post 10127724)
Ben, Have you ever applied for a medical to fly an aircraft in Australia? Perhaps if so, when and where?

There's quite a few of us, out there, that rely on CASA AVMED to allow us to travel around our beautiful country flying GA.


No quite sure what you are attempting to imply Gerry111.... See attached

How about you show some transparency and post your medical. Let’s all see who the real Gerry111 is.

Dick Smith 25th Apr 2018 11:29

Fan tome. Of course it is.

LeadSled 25th Apr 2018 14:00

Dick and Ben,
Best wishes for the event tomorrow, wish I could be there, but just not possible.
Tootle pip!!

TBM-Legend 26th Apr 2018 11:46

Very interesting to read the comments here. Many like Dick and AOPA are trying to bring issues of the failed CASA and various government policies and failed implementation to the public and therefore political arena while the sniping from a few that never actually do anything but that persist. I recall being in a Canberra meeting with the then Director, Col Freeland, who made the statement [after the tea lady departed the room] that general aviation is beset with factions and nothing will change until a clear agenda is put forth by industry. The year was 1989. Support your local AOPA and contribute good ideas please...

Capn Bloggs 26th Apr 2018 11:59


who made the statement [after the tea lady departed the room] that general aviation is beset with factions and nothing will change until a clear agenda is put forth by industry. The year was 1989.
No guesses who the main protagonist of the factions was... :cool: :rolleyes:

TBM-Legend 26th Apr 2018 12:38


No guesses who the main protagonist of the factions was...
see, I'm right! A nothing statement here. The industry deserves better to get up off the canvas...

Jenna Talia 26th Apr 2018 16:12

So how did it go?

Trevor the lover 26th Apr 2018 21:23

Mr Smith - I've not always, or even often, agreed with some of your posts and views (particularly attacks on the RAAF), but your fight against the destruction of GA is to be commended to the highest level. Like the rorts that the governments get away with, the snouts in the trough, the sense of entitlement to use public money for their own benefit - they just do not care two hoots. The Bishops - Julie and Bronny - steely eyed defiance to any criticism of public fund usage - they make it so hard for the little man to affect morals and effect change. Thinking back to the early eighties learning to fly at Albion Park's South Coast Aero Club with Ron Berry and Shereen Verdon - great days with smiling instructors and a huuuuge social culture in the club. The place doesn't even exist now.

Well done Mr Smith and all those fighting the same fight.

TBM-Legend 26th Apr 2018 21:37

Folks how about a prominent big billboard in Wagga so he and his constituents see it every day?

A picture of McCormack with the red crossed circle over him and a simple statement..

AOPA 27th Apr 2018 03:16

STOP THE LIE – UPDATE THE ACT
DICK SMITH WAGGA WAGGA PRESENTATION, THURSDAY 26TH APRIL 2019


The Dick Smith presentation in Wagga Wagga on Thursday 26th April 2018 was a great success and it was fantastic to see so many AOPA Australia members along with local Riverina constituents in attendance.

The venue was at capacity with only standing room available, clearly demonstrating the importance and genuine interest in the issues presented.Many thanks must go to the local media, who turned out en-masse to document and report.

I had the opportunity to speak with a number of newspaper and television reporters, who were all very eager to communicate our industry’s concerns.

A big thank you must go to Dick Smith, who clearly and passionately communicated our industry’s frustration regarding the lack of action and reforms from our political representatives.

The presentation exposed nearly three decades of inaction and neglect, along with explaining the damage to regional townships and communities. Utilising a range of key data, including charts provided by AOPA Australia, Dick highlighted that declines in general aviation flight training and maintenance, which are the result of government and political neglect, have now manifested themselves into an airline pilot and maintenance employment crisis.

For the first time in the history of Australian aviation, our general aviation industry is unable to meet the employment demands of the airline sector, struggling under the enormous weight of regulatory burden, which has rendered general aviation uncompetitive and unsustainable – should the current regulatory framework continue.

The outcome now is that the airlines are desperately seeking to bypass general aviation in Australia by importing foreign pilots and maintenance crews under 457 VISAs.

The AOPA Australia is deeply concerned for the future of our general aviation community and stands fully opposed to the wholesale granting of 457 VISAs for pilots and maintainers, which we regard as a bandage to cover the open wound of regulatory and political failure.

The AOPA Australia believes that Australians want the assurance that comes from being flown by Australian trained pilots, whom have earned the reputation as being the safest in the world, the source of these pilots is general aviation.

Dick has called on the Deputy Prime Minister, Michael McCormack, to take positive action by reforming the Civil Aviation Act. The Deputy Prime Minister responded through local media stating;

“I’ve had a number of discussions with Dick Smith, and I appreciate that the industry wants to see changes made as soon as possible, but what I won’t do for anyone is rush policy change, especially when there might be safety implications”

“It’s all well and good to bind me to the Barnaby Joyce agreement, but the fact is Barnaby is not transport Minister anymore and, while I appreciate that he had discussions with Anthony Albanese, I was not in on those discussions.”

Capn Bloggs 27th Apr 2018 03:18


Originally Posted by TBM Legend
see, I'm right! A nothing statement here.

It wasn't a "nothing statement" at the time. To say the industry was fractured, and has remained so since, would be an understatement.


The place doesn't even exist now.
No wonder. LSP, incessant and completely unnecessary changes in procedures turning pilots off, user-pays, Affordable Safety, dictatorial attitudes, what did you expect? Of course there are other issues like drink-driving and smoking rules, but from the early 90s, the "industry" was going only one way. Down the gurgler. And instead of a united front engaging Canberra, what happened? Crash through or crash. Yep, crash it was.

AOPA 27th Apr 2018 04:11


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10131175)
Folks how about a prominent big billboard in Wagga so he and his constituents see it every day?
A picture of McCormack with the red crossed circle over him and a simple statement..

TBM Legend, the AOPA Australia has a sponsor who is prepared to fund a sign as you have suggested. If you have a location in mind, could you let me know.

BENAJMIN MORGAN
AOPA Australia - Executive Director

Lead Balloon 27th Apr 2018 05:58

Just remember: If all you manage to do is oust the incumbent in favour of someone from a different major party, you’re only perpetuating the underlying cause of the problem. The underlying cause of the problem is the cosy Labor/Coalition duopoly, and an indolent bureaucracy that has evolved to feed off supporting the cosy duopoly.

Both ‘sides’ have allowed the expensive hoax that is the regulatory ‘reform’ program drag on for decades, leaving a trail of ever-increasing complexity, cost and industry devastation in its wake. Is either of them going to undo airport privatisation or enforce airport leases properly? Any substantial differences on immigration and 457 visas?

If Dick told the populace that he’d lost faith in the major parties’ competence to run the country in the national interest, there might be a glimmer of a chance of getting actual change. You don’t need to come up with your own candidates if you’re running an “anyone but them” campaign.

If the concern is that more non-major party aligned parliamentarians will lead to instability, remind yourself of who turned over 5 prime ministers in around 5 years.

vne165 27th Apr 2018 06:17

AOPA membership sub just paid.
Thanks to Ben and to Dick and to all the others that are pushing this into plain sight.

Wunwing 27th Apr 2018 06:48

I've been watching this with interest but I'm still not convinced targeting a Lower House MP is wise. It may give everyone a good feeling because you have a target but surely the more productive is going for a Senate seat. In our current Parliament we see time and time again the power of individual Senators. Right now we are watching the Bank Royal Commission unfold before our eyes and who got that up? That's right, a small number of Senators.

If an unknown group like the Motoring Action party can do it with such a small base, why cant AOPA?

Wunwing

Cloudee 27th Apr 2018 08:00

It’s not about winning a seat. It’s about getting enough votes to scare the incumbent to do what you want them to do.

Blueyonda 27th Apr 2018 10:07

Signage
 
Re electoral signage:

planning

A negative sign may be unlawful, i,e, - McCormack with a red circle. But give’em one for me.


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