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RickNRoll 2nd Mar 2018 09:54

Skippers Aviation Cessna Conquest makes forced landing on highway
 
Light plane makes emergency landing on remote WA's Great Northern Highway - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Out of fuel?

First one engine went then the other one for a glide in landing.

outnabout 2nd Mar 2018 10:51

Pilot did well. Everyone walked away.

Everything else is just arse-covering paperwork....

Stretch06 2nd Mar 2018 10:58

Nailed the centreline... :ok::ok:

cooperplace 2nd Mar 2018 11:25

hopefully it's not outa fuel or fuel management; great that all are OK.

Saintly 2nd Mar 2018 11:38

From the Skippers Aviation Facebook Page
 
I saw this on the Skippers Aviation facebook page:

"Skippers Aviation can confirm that an emergency landing was successfully carried out on the Great Northern Highway. All passengers and crew are safe with no injuries. An investigation into the cause is under way"

junior.VH-LFA 2nd Mar 2018 11:42

Two feathered props on Garrett engines?

Interested to see the "why" components, but a safe outcome is a safe outcome.

Saintly 2nd Mar 2018 11:47

See link to article below:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-02/light-plane-makes-emergency-landing-on-wa-highway/9504792

YPJT 2nd Mar 2018 13:16

Thankfully day time and a suitable stretch of road available.

Going Nowhere 2nd Mar 2018 18:54

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...h-lby#10963843

Look for the last flight on the 2nd

RickNRoll 2nd Mar 2018 21:01

Missed it by that much.

cooperplace 2nd Mar 2018 21:40

looks like he's about 25km from Broome, so only a few minutes flying time

roundsounds 3rd Mar 2018 02:03

No doubt the cause will put it down to carb ice. 🙄

KRUSTY 34 3rd Mar 2018 02:54

If it is fuel exhaustion it’s unlikely the result of a single miscalculation.

Years ago I worked for a compnany where a similar incident occurred. Fortunately, as in this case there were no injuries or aircraft damage. CAA as it was known back then suspended the Captain’s license for 28 days, and company management gave an undertaking to oversea and retrain the pilot involved.

Of course the real and complex administrative and human factors that led to the incident were never uncovered.

megan 3rd Mar 2018 02:59


Of course the real and complex administrative and human factors that led to the incident were never uncovered
Curious as to what they may have been. Always lessons to be learnt.

jack11111 3rd Mar 2018 03:16

Will a Conquest run on AVGas?

megan 3rd Mar 2018 04:02

Yes, it's approved for emergency use. POH will give exact details, it usually spells out how many hours of use permitted prior to overhaul eg one model of the PT-6 allows 150 hours of cumulative use between overhauls.

DynamicStall 3rd Mar 2018 05:07

AVGAS approved for emergency use only in the C441.

A mix of mineral oil per 100USG of AVGAS also required if more than 25% of AVGAS is used.

No effect to TBO in the TPE331-8 models.

Horatio Leafblower 3rd Mar 2018 05:19

10 POB the Conquest should have fuel for 90 mins to 2 hours.
Failure of the transfer pumps increases the unusable fuel significantly and when already operating at min fuel would make life pretty uncomfortable.

Ultralights 3rd Mar 2018 06:08

hydrocarbon injection system became blocked with air ?

Bend alot 3rd Mar 2018 07:29

Everyone seems to be talking fuel!

I think we should wait for the final report that might show in around 2 years.


I might be a pax spilled cans of coke over the engine computers.

- Krusty - have heard of compound errors eating into a Shorts 330 fuel reserves before.

troppo 3rd Mar 2018 07:45

Yeah, if it was as simple as fuel you'd think they could got some from Broome (25kms?) and removed the aircraft from the road before nightfall?

KRUSTY 34 3rd Mar 2018 09:37


Originally Posted by abaderrr (Post 10071306)
Landed with plenty of fuel on board. Aircraft has been flown back to Broome.

Mmm, fuel starvation as opposed to fuel exhaustion? Good job by the Skipper no matter what.

Left 270 3rd Mar 2018 11:54

Great job by the crew from what my western mates tell me. Every one you walk away from.

Left 270 3rd Mar 2018 14:08

Information I have is row 0A didn’t contribute to the issue but DID successfully forced land the aircraft.

spinex 3rd Mar 2018 17:22

Ok, so we have several people happy to tell us what didn't cause the issue; given that the aircraft was apparently flown off within a day, the gingerbeers must know what did bring it down or it would have left on a truck. In the absence of any other explanation, it is difficult to avoid speculating that a meatware issue is the most likely cause.

red_dirt 3rd Mar 2018 23:07


Originally Posted by spinex (Post 10071787)
Ok, so we have several people happy to tell us what didn't cause the issue; given that the aircraft was apparently flown off within a day, the gingerbeers must know what did bring it down or it would have left on a truck. In the absence of any other explanation, it is difficult to avoid speculating that a meatware issue is the most likely cause.

Another interesting point....no comments on the ATSB site either. Granted I’ve only had a quick look on my phone.

megan 4th Mar 2018 00:33


No effect to TBO in the TPE331-8 models
There is still a limit to its usage however. Not in excess of 250 gallons per 100 hours of operation may be used for emergency operation. Total usage must be limited to 7,000 gallons during any 3,000 hour period.

Sunfish 4th Mar 2018 20:05

filters? Water? Linkages?

Desert Flower 4th Mar 2018 20:09


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10072820)
filters? Water? Linkages?

Maybe someone needed a pitstop in a hurry?! ;)

DF.

Cloudee 5th Mar 2018 06:28

ATSB make no mention of fuel exhaustion, just that both engines failed. Given that it has reportedly been flown out, someone must know the cause.

“The ATSB is investigating a dual engine failure and forced landing involving a Cessna 441, VH-LBY, at 39 km East of Broome Airport, Western Australia, on 2 March 2018.

During descent into Broome Airport, the right then left engines began to surge. The pilot shut down the right engine and made a mayday call. Shortly after, the left engine failed and the pilot conducted a forced landing on the Great Northern Highway. There was no reported damage to the aircraft. The pilot and passengers were not injured.

As part of the investigation, the ATSB will interview the pilot and obtain engineering information.

Should a critical safety issue be identified during the course of the investigation, the ATSB will immediately notify those affected and seek safety action to address the issue A final report will be released at the conclusion of the investigation.”

Hank Birofski 5th Mar 2018 07:42

Well executed go around by the 4WD

Checklist Charlie 5th Mar 2018 08:30


A final report will be released at the conclusion of the investigation.
Talk about stating the bleeding obvious or are they (ATSB) perhaps going to do a "Norfolk Island" and issue the final report before they conclude the investigation.

CC

StickWithTheTruth 5th Mar 2018 09:47

There's not that many reasons why engines "surge"..... ;)

TBM-Legend 5th Mar 2018 10:10

Both engines..??

On eyre 5th Mar 2018 10:54

Both engines "failed" ?? Give me a break - both engines surged and stopped - now I wonder what could have caused that ?? Not many possibilities I would have thought !!

Brother 5th Mar 2018 11:18


I might be a pax spilled cans of coke over the engine computers.
computers in a 40 year old aeroplane?

Checkboard 5th Mar 2018 11:32


Not many possibilities I would have thought !!
People said that about British Airways Flight 38, as well. Then a thourough investigation discovered that it was an ice crystal build up in the fuel lines which was suddenly dislodged with the increased thrust in the final stages of the approach.

That's why you have to investigate - I do note that the company have stated that it wasn't simple fuel exhaustion.

Bend alot 5th Mar 2018 11:53


Originally Posted by Brother (Post 10073377)
computers in a 40 year old aeroplane?

Yes that's what we called them back then, what is the current term?

Captain Nomad 5th Mar 2018 12:03

Fuel filters blocked with ice crystals? There's been a lot of moisture up that way...

Pass me another can of fizzy (FSII)... :E

compressor stall 5th Mar 2018 18:16

Where did it refuel?


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