If it was a complex issue that warranted investigation, it wouldn't have been flown out that day or so soon after.

Drain the tanks. Run the engines. Fly it 15 minutes to Broome.

If it works, it works. That doesn't mean that it's not going to be a complex investigation.

Only a brave LAME would sign off on something that they didn't know the cause of.

The engines running up again successfully doesn't mean squat.

and a brave pilot too; I wouldn't be keen to fly something that had just had an unexpected (twin) engine failure. Someone must know what's happened here.

I'd say there are a lot of people who know exactly what happened.
But for reasons known only to them,- they are choosing to clam up.

I recall the aircraft was Halls Creek for Broome. Check out the ERSA entry regarding buying Jet A1 at Halls Creek- PPR for carnet cards, otherwise cash cheque or credit card. Maybe the company is too cheap to think about the PPR and buying the hideously expensive fuel, and the PIC wasn’t too keen using his/her personal CC?? Speculation here, but it’s certainly possible given how other operators in that region conduct themselves......

VREF that's pretty adventurous.
I love to ponder the causes of accidents but I would draw the line at publicly questioning the stingyness or otherwise of the operator and the pilot.

Such speculation goes beyond mechanical failure, human failure or organisational failure to negligence or wilful recklessness and that's not fair game on PPRuNe, in my opinion.

My comments are based on actual events and stories from colleagues. There’s a reason you need cash or CC, or PPR to use your carnet in Halls Creek, it will be due to unpaid fuel bills. Ask ex PELAIR pilots who worked there pre Norfolk ditching,when they were told where they could and couldn’t refuel in the Pacific due to unpaid fuel bills. Ask ex Broome based pilots about being sent out VFR in the midst of a cyclone , doing 16 hour days in a 210, landing after last light in a single with pax on board because the operator told them to come home -even with TEMPO conditions at Broome - because they didn’t want to pay overnight costs. Stingy operators not wanting to pay for expensive fuel do exist in Australia , it’s a fact.

Just double checked ERSA, payment for Jet A1 changed 1 March. You either require a AMS carnet, OR CC accepted, outside work hours you need to give 1 hour PN , $150 callout fee. AMS is the only provider of Jet A1 at Halls Creek, not sure of the price per litre, but odds are it’s pretty expensive. So IF it is a fuel starvation event and you want answers about why it ran out of fuel, one question you have to ask is why they went past a serviceable bowser. Financial considerations and the financial viability of the company must be considered when addressing this question. BTW, I’m not blaming the crew, if fuel price was a consideration then it’s an organisational problem.

Think you might be on the money there v ref.Maybe crew either didn't want to use their CC because the company take forever to reimburse them (a common problem with many businesses)or their cards were maxed out.

I hope to see an apology from you two once the particulars of this incident are made public. In this instance you would be wise to exercise some patience and restraint in your assertions.

And from you if they are correct.

Thank you cowl flaps. I am more than happy to take responsibility for the comments I make.

In the context of your comments, I think you meant “exhaustion” not “starvation”.

No fuel was uplifted at Halls Creek

Do Skippers conquests have the engine stop buttons well guarded?
You wouldn't want a stray Ipad to spoil your day.

Why do you ask bolthead? :rolleyes:

Just wild speculation on my part Capt. But it was the first reaction of someone ( with plenty of conquest time ) that hadn't been aware of this incident until I told them.

I have heard of a mobile phone falling onto a stop button in a Chartair machine.

I struggle to imagine a scenario where an Ipad could cause a double engine failure.

I have not seen every Conquest in the land, but I have never seen one without the normal collars around the stop buttons as per standard.

...A stray iPad? :hmm:

I am moer intrigued by this statement:

No idea what his previous leg was, but would you expect him to take on fuel in Halls Creek?

Either BME - HCQ - BME or even add a stop in Fitzroy and I'd have thought that you'd take all your fuel at Broome.