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tail wheel 30th Nov 2017 22:03

It is what it is, with design probably very strongly influenced by a FedEx requirement. The FedEx current and future orders would justify production.

Not the first proposal in this class of aircraft but this may be the first to actually be built. "Wizard" aka Flukey Luke was also pushing a similar type but larger aircraft some years ago, stating, with his usual impeccable honesty, that he's bought a couple of hundred off the plan! It was the Utilicraft FF-1080, twin PW150s, 20,000 kg disposable load, single pilot, which it appears never progressed beyond a wet dream. I'm not sure how they thought twin PW150s would push a 40 ton aircraft to 250 kts? :}

I suspect this aircraft will feature strongly in FedEx hub and spoke feeder operations in the USA. The PT6 is ideal for this purpose, despite the probably high cycles.

I suspect it will struggle as a commuter, for the same reason the Shorts SD3-30 and SD3-60 struggled, speed, lack of pressurization and payload/range limitations.

Same pax capacity as a Twin Otter for around 40 kts (25%) increase in speed but loss of STOL ability? Interesting the choice of a couple of 1,100 HP -65's to carry 19 pax, versus two 650 HP -34's on the DHC6-400. The Beech 1900D has similar engines, same pax capacity, pressurised but 50 kts faster.

TBM-Legend 1st Dec 2017 07:47

FedEx will ultimately buy around 250 of these. They know what they're doing in the freight world.

Petropavlovsk 1st Dec 2017 07:57

Importantly, Cessna should make sure the aircraft can perform in ISA +20 degrees and high altitude airport capability, preferably at MTOW. That would be good!

TBM-Legend 1st Dec 2017 08:15

It's what will work for FedEx. They have operations in Colorado 5,000msl and ISA+20 in summer..

On eyre 1st Dec 2017 21:51

A modern Bandit replacement.

PLovett 1st Dec 2017 23:02

Mmmm...............I wonder what its ice-carrying capacity is going to be?

TBM-Legend 2nd Dec 2017 00:25

Better than a Caravan I'd imagine..

troppo 2nd Dec 2017 04:03


Originally Posted by On eyre (Post 9975848)
A modern Bandit replacement.

Would be nice but a bit of a handicap on fuel flow for the same number of seats and not a lot of difference on book values with speed.

A Squared 2nd Dec 2017 05:09


Originally Posted by troppo (Post 9976006)
Would be nice but a bit of a handicap on fuel flow for the same number of seats and not a lot of difference on book values with speed.

Uhhh, yeah, but the Bandit can't carry 3 LD3 shipping containers, which I expect, is a lot more relevant to Fed-ex and Cessna than how if compares to the Bandit as a passenger hauling machine.

Duck Pilot 2nd Dec 2017 05:53

Is it going to have a ramp door like the CASA 212?

A Squared 2nd Dec 2017 05:57

The drawings I've seen show it with a large aft side door that the containers would slide into sideways then get moved forward, so, no aft ramp.

troppo 2nd Dec 2017 06:12


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 9976026)
Uhhh, yeah, but the Bandit can't carry 3 LD3 shipping containers, which I expect, is a lot more relevant to Fed-ex and Cessna than how if compares to the Bandit as a passenger hauling machine.

That's good. We agree that it's not a Bandit replacement then :p

Valdiviano 2nd Dec 2017 07:15

Cessna SkyCourier

StickWithTheTruth 2nd Dec 2017 07:45

I reckon they could get a few more knots out of it by streamlining the front end a little. It's pretty square and old-school looking. Looks like an EMB110 or worse.

On eyre 2nd Dec 2017 08:33

SWTT - there was nothing wrong with an EMB-110 in it's time. Made me my retirement fund thank you.

Guptar 2nd Dec 2017 13:04

I'm sure the nose of the 408 is exactly how they want it, despite the input from the know-alls on Pprune. After all, they have certified more designs that any other manufacturer on the planet.

A Squared 2nd Dec 2017 18:20


Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth (Post 9976116)
I reckon they could get a few more knots out of it by streamlining the front end a little. It's pretty square and old-school looking. Looks like an EMB110 or worse.

Might have to do with the fact that it's designed around 3 LD3 shipping containers, which are kinda square.

StickWithTheTruth 2nd Dec 2017 20:01


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 9976698)
Might have to do with the fact that it's designed around 3 LD3 shipping containers, which are kinda square.

There's no shipping containers in the cockpit.

Seems they pilfered the design from another well known company.

https://www.hobbywarehouse.com.au/le...rgo-plane.html

B772 3rd Dec 2017 07:31

Ah, the Leggo Bristol Freighter !

A Squared 4th Dec 2017 02:18


Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth (Post 9976811)
There's no shipping containers in the cockpit.

Well, no, there's not. But there are shipping containers immediately behind the cockpit. If the fuselage necessarily must have a large, rectangular cross section 6 inches aft of the pilots seat, there's probably not much point in making the cockpit narrow and sleek like a Learjet.


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