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CASA ATPL Flight Test
Hi everyone.
Looking to complete the mentioned flight test in November time. Can anyone recommend a reputable and cost friendly establishment for this? The last stage of the OSLC conversion which I started a couple years back. Was not put in a good position by CASA and ended up having my application for the licence rejected after 01/09/14 - so now have to do this flight test!! |
Good luck with that! I spoke to CASA about this topic today and was told there are only a handful of Flight Examiners qualified to conduct ATPL tests. It was suggested Ansett Simulators in Melbourne were the only practical solution and they conduct the tests in an A320 simulator. This requires an A320 type rating despite CASA stating a type rating was not required.
If you look at the stat's there have been very few ATPLs issues since Part 61 became effective. |
and they conduct the tests in an A320 simulator |
Originally Posted by roundsounds
(Post 9822466)
If you look at the stat's there have been very few ATPLs issues since Part 61 became effective.
Yes, good luck, I'd be interested to hear how you go. |
I've done the atpl flight test. What a joke. There is no 'cost effective' way to conduct this farce of an exercise.
You'll pay through the nose, be subjected to the whim of some of the dumbest people on earth and you better thank them for it. |
Even if you fly an A320, King Air etc everyday I was told that two training sim sessions at Ansett are mandatory before they allow you to take the test.
No regulation saying you have to just the fact that they are pretty much the only place you can go and they will squeeze you for everything. |
How can you conduct the flight test in a kingair if it is not above 5700kg and or a multi crew aircraft??
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I smell a rat???
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Originally Posted by baron_58
(Post 9823252)
How can you conduct the flight test in a kingair if it is not above 5700kg and or a multi crew aircraft??
It doesn't have to be either of those. It just has to be Multi engine turbine and conducted as a multi crew operation |
"It just has to be Multi engine turbine and conducted as a multi crew operation"
See! all very logical, just requires some sort of procedures devised to overcome the fact that the ergonomics of a single pilot certified aircraft sort of lend themselves to being flown by a single pilot. It is very sobering to realise just how lucky people of my generation are to have survived all this time, given we were not required to be anointed with this incredibly expensive test devised by bright young academics with lots of letters after their names. To quote another pundit, I feel much safer now. |
Have CASA proved an increase in safety since bringing this in?
Anyone who requires an ATPL should be subject to an intensive cyclic anyway. Seems to me you're testing someone to give them a licence to participate in a cyclic which covers it all anyway. |
It is all crazy and it's not isolated to Oz. However an ATPL skill test in a multi-crew environment as a PIC... having never been a PIC seems outrageous. But it's hoops and I would probably suggest that whatever era you started flying in, there have always been hoops....
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Originally Posted by roundsounds
(Post 9822466)
Good luck with that! I spoke to CASA about this topic today and was told there are only a handful of Flight Examiners qualified to conduct ATPL tests. It was suggested Ansett Simulators in Melbourne were the only practical solution and they conduct the tests in an A320 simulator. This requires an A320 type rating despite CASA stating a type rating was not required.
If you look at the stat's there have been very few ATPLs issues since Part 61 became effective. |
Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 9823114)
I've done the atpl flight test. What a joke. There is no 'cost effective' way to conduct this farce of an exercise.
You'll pay through the nose, be subjected to the whim of some of the dumbest people on earth and you better thank them for it. |
Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 9823114)
I've done the atpl flight test. What a joke. There is no 'cost effective' way to conduct this farce of an exercise.
You'll pay through the nose, be subjected to the whim of some of the dumbest people on earth and you better thank them for it. |
"there have always been hoops...."
Yup, but for some reason they didn't seem so darned expensive as they do today. I don't recall ever using anything I sweated over studying for the multiple ATPL's I used to hold that I ever used in a practical sense. Even so they were interesting exercises and certainly gave one a sense of achievement if not relief when you passed. There has always been a requirement for an ATPL flight test in OZ. It was just recognised that the standards required for those that held an IR rating were higher than for the ATPL. Appendix 111 of CAO 40 if my memory serves me correctly, which it increasingly doesn't (old age is a terrible thing) provided the standard, the test was waived if you held an IR rating. I did my test in a tiger moth, ten quid an hour, bloody highway robbery. |
Originally Posted by DA2000EX
(Post 9823980)
It is all crazy and it's not isolated to Oz. However an ATPL skill test in a multi-crew environment as a PIC... having never been a PIC seems outrageous. But it's hoops and I would probably suggest that whatever era you started flying in, there have always been hoops....
Its a farce, an enormously expensive, redundant and pointless farce. When you read the MOS, the competencies required to be demonstrated between the ATPL flight test and a normal IPC are the same. Except for taxiing. I had to demonstrate that I could taxi. My aircraft didn't have a tiller on the copilot side. So he made me turn off nosewheel steering and taxi via castering. If it wasn't for the fact it cost me 5 figures I'd be laughing. |
Quote: Originally Posted by DA2000EX View Post It is all crazy and it's not isolated to Oz. However an ATPL skill test in a multi-crew environment as a PIC... having never been a PIC seems outrageous. But it's hoops and I would probably suggest that whatever era you started flying in, there have always been hoops.... You don't even need to act as PIC! I did the entire thing in the right seat, and whilst ostensibly I was 'in command', I just did everything as per our SOPs and behaved in no way differently than a line flight. The Captain still ran the show as always. Its a farce, an enormously expensive, redundant and pointless farce. When you read the MOS, the competencies required to be demonstrated between the ATPL flight test and a normal IPC are the same. Except for taxiing. I had to demonstrate that I could taxi. My aircraft didn't have a tiller on the copilot side. So he made me turn off nosewheel steering and taxi via castering. If it wasn't for the fact it cost me 5 figures I'd be laughing. It sounds like you are a current working pilot as you indicated to ran with your companies SOP's. Why did you decide to undertake the ATPL test at your own cost? Increased employment prospects or not an avenue possible within your employers training and checking system?.... Serious question. |
My company had 2 aircraft and lots of blokes going nowhere. Being that an ATPL is required to even apply for practically any jet job here or overseas, I had no choice. As soon as I had it I applied for JQ Virgin and Cobham and got offered all 3 positions. Its just a ridiculous and pointless hoop to have to jump through.
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Being that an ATPL is required to even apply for practically any jet job here or overseas, I had no choice https://www.virginaustralia.com/au/e.../#requirements A320 First Officers - Australia and New Zealand | Jetstar |
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