Shocking. A professional and true gentleman. Farewell Steve.

We may be sure on that - they will take their time.

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Renmark Plane Crash: RossAir crash victims confirmed as chief pilot Martin Scott, inductee pilot Paul Daw, CASA rep Stephen Guerin. #7News

Very sad news indeed. Paul was involved in many aspects of aviation in South Australia and overseas, including those listed above. I guess an official confirmation will come from other sources.
Deepest sympathy to the family and friends

Thanks, he really loved aviation. I remember him telling me the about the incident in the Southern Cross replica when they lost one of the wheels.

Condolences to their family and friends.

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The sad news has been confirmed this morning by Paul's brother Nigel. Paul was a total aviation person and a fellow historian. RIP Paul

Does anyone know if the Conquest had a FDR/CVR fitted to it?

All 3 men were highly experienced aviators and I know personally. RIP to all of them and blue skies gents.

Very sad news. RIP.

Video of the crash site on Chanel 7 and 9 News. Looks very compact.

Steve

So sad - Steve was a friend and a wonderful operator and wonderful person

Am I correct in assuming the accident occurred after take off from Renmark as against on approach to Renmark?

Yes - that's the assumption in all reports so far ..

Is the Conquest certified in the 2nd segment re EFATO?

God help CASA if one engine is found not to have been producing power.

Context Sunfish, context... especially when media outlets are reading this.

Sounds like you're suggesting that if an engine has failed, CASA are somehow to blame....

Is the Conquest certified in the 2nd segment re EFATO?

Not familiar with the model but the TCDS suggests FAR 23.

The wreckage is unfortunately "compact". You know what that means.

Not suggesting failed engine Squawk, I believe the general opinion of pilots is that simulation of EFATO in a light twin is fraught with risk. Would I be wrong in believing the stories about CASA testing officers requiring or initiating the performance of unsafe acts that have been posted on Pprune?

Even on a single, it gets your blood racing when a testing officer pulls the throttle at low altitude to simulate engine failure, it must be much worse if it is done in a twin.

Yeah.....I have been thinking the same thing all day, it sure sounds like another Air North Brasilia in DN type crash which took out the very guy who was implementing sim training only for the type.

Be sad if this is another similar event. :uhoh:

yeah sadly a known simulated failure training issue with the garrett fixed shaft engine at low speed, if you pull that power lever back too quickly and the negative torque sensing system doesnt get it quite right and the blades go negative you have just given yourself a Vmca event. It's not an issue with a real failure since the engine winds down and the blades go course. At high speed pulling flight idle quickly you do get a bit of assymetric yaw but at high speed its not an issue.

It was prior to landing at Renmark (they failed to cancel SAR) but given the nature of the flight presumably they were airworking in the circuit.

The ATSB states the crash happened after take off from runway 25 at Renmark.

The ATSB is investigating a fatal aircraft accident involving a Cessna Conquest 441 aircraft, registered VH-XMJ, that occurred near Renmark Airport, South Australia on 30 May 2017.

The aircraft was reportedly conducting a training flight and collided with terrain shortly after departure from runway 25. All three occupants on board were fatally injured.

The ATSB has deployed a team of five investigators to the accident site with expertise that includes aircraft operation and maintenance.

While on site the team will be examining the site and wreckage, gathering recorded data including radio and radar, and interviewing witnesses.

The ATSB will issue a preliminary report outlining the facts of the accident within 30 days and present the findings of its investigation in the final report, due out within 12 months.