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Originally Posted by FGD135
(Post 10508258)
How do you know that accident was caused by the trim, Lead Balloon?
It may have been one of the other King Air vices (e.g "power lever migration"). |
Originally Posted by 27/09
(Post 10508155)
What exactly does this have to do with the tread topic? Surely a new thread would have been much more appropriate. I saw there was a new post and clicked to read about the King Air accident. I didn't come back in here to read about the politics of an airport.
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No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have. ”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.” |
Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA
(Post 10508323)
No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have. ”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.” They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity. Neither of us has a crystal ball. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10508313)
It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks ! I don't accept the ATSB's findings but hey we plebs have zero input! I knew Max very well, he had a LOT of experience on the Beech (as I do) I believe he had a medical episode when the engine rolled back or failed or whatever caused the violent swing, the rudder trim deflection alone if at full deflection would not have caused this as a stand alone cause otherwise the would not have got certified!. We all plan for such an event but it would still scare the crap out of any normal pilot ! RIP Max, the good 'ole days are long gone sadly:-( |
Was a post-mortem done on said MQ?
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10508313)
It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks ! It's very doubtful the existing shops had any bearing on the outcome either. What impact the proposed changes will have on safety is another matter entirely and worthy of a thread of its own. A separate thread wouldn't pollute the content of this thread and dragging it off topic or nor diluting the discussion on the reduction in safety by reducing the runway widths. Enough said. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10508324)
I said “may” have had a chance. They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity. Neither of us has a crystal ball. |
Another one ? Snippet in yesterday's Courier Mail ? ...veered left and crashed into a hangar. No survivors
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They always seem to veer left, irrespective of whether the cause was rudder trim or "power lever migration". The 3 in the USA, the one in the UK and Essendon. All went left.
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Obviously just the same pilot error in each case. Just like with the 737 Max crashes. |
The Coriolis effect has a lot to do with it, watch the dunny water next time ya push da button, there's yr answer Sherlock....lololol
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Clearly it's just the ATSB's fault. Pilot's don't **** up.
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So how many deaths in similar King Air accidents will it take for you to entertain the possibility that something other than pilot f*ck up may be a causal factor? I suppose with the 737 Max it took a few hundred deaths. Is that your threshold? |
Is Moorabbin or Essendon worse for buildings near the runway??? Look at how close this new building is / looks! https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....07b9b346b.jpeg |
Yes indeed, and it looks like there's more to come next to it on the LHS with the ground works well underway. The amount of commercial development around YMMB and YMEN over the last few years is staggering. Mechanical turbulence anyone..? Oh it's all good, we'll just put an entry in the ERSA to warn pilots to expect it under certain wind conditions. :ugh:
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Definitely worse at YMMB than YMEN but still way, way friendlier to GA.
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Looks like part of the roof is lowered to keep it out of the runway splay.
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The KingAir has a worse safety than the MU2 in the US. The difference has been the Flight Safety Course that I think is compulsory for MU2 pilots.
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