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Captain Nomad 10th Jan 2017 04:17

C172 Down on Middle Island
 
Middle Island plane crash: One person dead, three airlifted to hospital - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

muffman 10th Jan 2017 06:09

Was flying through the ATC sectors near this shortly after it happened today. Well done to the controller on 124.1/119.55 for coordinating the numerous rescue aircraft and accurately relaying messages between the various parties. It was a confronting listen but calmly handled and he didn't miss a beat with the other aircraft on frequency either. A job very well done.

Frank Arouet 10th Jan 2017 09:19

What sort of tourism activities?

Squawk7700 10th Jan 2017 09:23

Doesn't it say that they take campers to the island?

Ultralights 10th Jan 2017 09:34

Investigation: AO-2017-005 - Collision with terrain involving Cessna C172M, VH-WTQ, near Agnes Water, Queensland, on 10 January 2017

Desert Flower 10th Jan 2017 10:47

Wow - what a mess. Surprised there was only one fatality.

DF.

Jenna Talia 10th Jan 2017 14:19

Where does it say CFIT? :ugh:

Sunfish 10th Jan 2017 20:11

Beaches usually have cross winds and a soft sand patch can ruin your day. The aircraft looks to me like it cartwheeled into a dune. What a sad outcome.

growahead 10th Jan 2017 23:33

From the latest photo on the ABC website, it looks like the aircraft may have come through the scrub from the land side, perpendicular to the beach, then slid/crashed down the dune. The operative word here is MAY, just putting a possible scenario out there.
Prop looks like it wasn't producing much thrust, if any.

Capt Fathom 10th Jan 2017 23:52

Actually, it looks like the initial impact/touchdown point at the waterline.
It was also quite noticeable in one of the media videos.

kaz3g 11th Jan 2017 00:56

Middle Island plane crash: Engine failure likely cause - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Frank Arouet 11th Jan 2017 05:27

ATSB Initial: AO-2017-005.


Type of operation: General Aviation Unknown.

Ultralights 11th Jan 2017 05:58


Where does it say CFIT?
who said it was a CFIT? ATSB report stated collision with terrain.

Rotor Work 11th Jan 2017 06:50

Reading this story, Bruce your a hero as well.
RW


From Western times

http://http://www.westerntimes.com.au/news/afraid-plane-owner-reveals-moments-fatal-crash/3130730/

IN AN exclusive interview with The Observer, owner of 1770 Castaway Bruce Rhoades hailed his "best mate" Les 'Woody' Woodall a hero after the plane he was flying crashed into the sand at Middle Island.

The crash left a 29-year-old UK woman dead and two others in critical condition, including Woody, who was taken to the Intensive Care Unit at Bundaberg Hospital with head, chest and spinal injuries.

aroa 12th Jan 2017 06:19

Courier Mail has the busted aircraft as a Cirrus SR 22. Aint never seen a strutted Cirrus yet.
Dont these dopey journalists know that all aircraft that crash are Cessnas !

Desert Flower 12th Jan 2017 08:19


Originally Posted by aroa (Post 9638118)
Courier Mail has the busted aircraft as a Cirrus SR 22. Aint never seen a strutted Cirrus yet.

I've never seen a high wing Cirrus either!

rioncentu 12th Jan 2017 21:12

A quick pootube search of Agnes Water Flights or 1770 flights will show you what these flights generally get up to.

Squawk7700 13th Jan 2017 02:08


Originally Posted by rioncentu (Post 9638996)
A quick pootube search of Agnes Water Flights or 1770 flights will show you what these flights generally get up to.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you are referring to here. Do you think that is appropriate and or relevant here ?

rioncentu 13th Jan 2017 03:17

Yes squawk I think it is relevant as 2 separate posts earlier above discussed/asked what sort of tourist activities are being done and I was simply answering those posts.

Desert Flower 13th Jan 2017 04:11


Originally Posted by rioncentu (Post 9639176)
Yes squawk I think it is relevant as 2 separate posts earlier above discussed/asked what sort of tourist activities are being done and I was simply answering those posts.

I haven't looked at the videos, but regardless of "what these flights generally get up to" I don't believe they have any relevance to the accident in question.

DF.

Frank Arouet 13th Jan 2017 07:55

I do.

(More characters needed to post reply)... so "characters" are the operative word.


EDIT to add: There are "compliant" characters and "protected" characters and then just "characters" and sometimes just "operators".

Desert Flower 13th Jan 2017 08:10


Originally Posted by Frank Arouet (Post 9639284)
I do.

(More characters needed to post reply)... so "characters" are the operative word.


EDIT to add: There are "compliant" characters and "protected" characters and then just "characters" and sometimes just "operators".

So you believe that what they generally get up to contributed to the engine failure in this accident?

DF.

Cloudee 13th Jan 2017 08:31


Originally Posted by Desert Flower (Post 9639299)
So you believe that what they generally get up to contributed to the engine failure in this accident?

DF.

The ATSB often refer to engine failure in the initial report when , I presume, they have evidence of such. They have not done so on this occasion so far. The report was updated today, still no mention of engine failure.

Squawk7700 13th Jan 2017 09:02

The pilot quoted engine failure to the media (allegedly).

Jenna Talia 13th Jan 2017 09:38


Where does it say CFIT? who said it was a CFIT? ATSB report stated collision with terrain.
Ultralights - Sorry about the confusion as my post was a response to another peterc005 gem, which he has since deleted.

It looks to me like engine failure, a low level turn to make it onto the beach followed by a stall during a probable steep turn.

Squawk7700 13th Jan 2017 09:47

If you watch what's in the links posted above, the pilot said that he was going to put it down on the edge of the water but was concerned about drowning his passengers so headed for the land instead and whacked the dunes.

Jenna Talia 13th Jan 2017 10:00

You are right, but I thought for such extensive damage to occur would have involved a low level drop, followed by a cartwheel.

Frank Arouet 13th Jan 2017 21:37

Desert Flower: No.

MakeItHappenCaptain 19th Jan 2017 09:35


Originally Posted by Desert Flower (Post 9639187)
I haven't looked at the videos, but regardless of "what these flights generally get up to" I don't believe they have any relevance to the accident in question.

DF.

https://youtu.be/7kh9_ZfJpWw
I got to 20s. That was enough.

rioncentu 19th Jan 2017 22:47

Hmm yeah you reckon you would edit out the cardboard box ingestion!

I hadn't seen that one.

Cloudee 20th Jan 2017 01:49

https://youtu.be/0718hzji20s


The antics posted online do amaze sometimes.

Squawk7700 20th Jan 2017 03:34


Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 9647115)
https://youtu.be/0718hzji20s


The antics posted online do amaze sometimes.

I'm fairly certain that action was taken regarding the contents of afore mentioned video. It was discussed on here previously.

Ultralights 20th Jan 2017 05:08

theres quite a few vids like that

Cloudee 1st Feb 2017 07:49

Seems like CASA may have acted. From the 1770 charter web page.
27Jan17: 1770 Castaway regret to advise that we have cancelled all tours until further notice. We have only been given the advice today & apologize to all customers for cancelling their much anticipated experience. Currently booked passengers are to contact their travel agent in regards to refunds or if you have booked directly with us, then contact us directly.

Cloudee 17th Oct 2019 01:02


Sunfish 17th Oct 2019 01:23

Carry out a landing inspection in a landing direction. Good idea.

gchriste 17th Oct 2019 11:55

Wow what a depressing report. So many bad actions and carelessness and I am only 25 pages in 😟

Runaway Gun 18th Oct 2019 04:48

It's also very sad that Bruce (the Chief Pilot) passed away only last month.

j3pipercub 18th Oct 2019 10:11

I thought the paragrahs about missing recording devices was...interesting.

Capt Fathom 18th Oct 2019 10:38

It’s frustrating when the ATSB gets bogged down with these things. Does it make any difference to the investigation? Maybe!
Do they need to even mention it in the report? No. It has no bearing on the accident and makes no difference to me as a reader.
The ATSB seem to get easily distracted!


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