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Stationair8 8th Sep 2016 08:05

Sully The Movie
 
Worth a look at for those interested in them flying machine devices.

das Uber Soldat 8th Sep 2016 09:09

Thought the whole thing was great, thought I cringed in true pilot nerd fashion at the sim sessions.

'fpv on!', so she changes the range on the ND. Lol what?

Then we she crashes it into a building, selects full reverse. Yep, that'll help! Haha.

mrdeux 8th Sep 2016 11:24

Loved the selection of reverse.

First aviation movie that I can recall that made any attempt to get aviation right. And if you've ever been involved in an incident, it was all too close to home.

Recommended.

Centaurus 8th Sep 2016 13:02

Certainly worth viewing. Tom Hanks did a fine job as Sully, IMHO. The open court scene towards the end of the film with the NTSB Board trying to nail Sully and his co-pilot to the floor, was the best part.

Ollie Onion 8th Sep 2016 16:55

I really enjoyed it, the aviation related subjects were surprisingly accurate for a Hollywood production who normally even struggle to keep aircraft types consistent. Well worth a look.

Squawk7700 8th Sep 2016 22:42

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc75/sully.jpg

The name is Porter 9th Sep 2016 11:33


the NTSB Board trying to nail Sully and his co-pilot to the floor, was the best part.
Hollywood bull****, you might want to read the NTSB's comments on this.

mattyj 9th Sep 2016 19:57

I still think Whip Whitaker was the better Hollywood pilot character

PukinDog 10th Sep 2016 02:13


Originally Posted by The name is Porter (Post 9502126)
Hollywood bull****, you might want to read the NTSB's comments on this.

Well said. Hollywood always needs a "bad guy", believing conflict advances any story, and they've been using various government agencies in this role forever.

The notion of objective, dedicated pros/experts existing within an government Agency is one they view with cynicism, despite the fact that so much knowledge and foundation of what we do to enhance safety and mitigate threats in aviation comes directly from decades of accident investigations conducted by them. Historically, the NTSB has found fault or identified causes for accidents that have as much to do with Company deficiencies and FAA oversight as they have with individual pilots crewing an accident aircraft. In many ways, their techniques are the basis for the broad-based approach to identifying ALL causal factors that we expect today, not just the forensic expertise.

Sad the producers felt the need to try and cast the NTSB as the "opposing force" just because there wasn't an obvious choice of person, Corporation, or the FAA to fill the role. Completely unnecessary, and unfounded.

cogwheel 10th Sep 2016 11:32

Have just seen the movie

Has to one of the best and authentic aviation movie ever made.

Highly recommended :ok::ok::D:D:}

Checklist Charlie 10th Sep 2016 12:50

Since when is CAsA (the regulator) doing accident investigation which is the preserve of the ATSB.

CAsA can't get the regulatory environment right so how on earth would they be any better at accident investigation.

CC

costalpilot 10th Sep 2016 18:34


Originally Posted by PukinDog (Post 9502919)
Well said. Hollywood always needs a "bad guy", believing conflict advances any story, and they've been using various government agencies in this role forever.

The notion of objective, dedicated pros/experts existing within an government Agency is one they view with cynicism, despite the fact that so much knowledge and foundation of what we do to enhance safety and mitigate threats in aviation comes directly from decades of accident investigations conducted by them. Historically, the NTSB has found fault or identified causes for accidents that have as much to do with Company deficiencies and FAA oversight as they have with individual pilots crewing an accident aircraft. In many ways, their techniques are the basis for the broad-based approach to identifying ALL causal factors that we expect today, not just the forensic expertise.

Sad the producers felt the need to try and cast the NTSB as the "opposing force" just because there wasn't an obvious choice of person, Corporation, or the FAA to fill the role. Completely unnecessary, and unfounded.

total bs storyline. typical hollywood. cant find enough drama in the most dramatic events imaginable, so they feel the need to make things up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/bu...een-drama.html

otoh, i enjoyed the heck out of the flight scenes. i flew the 320 and out of laguardia many times. better sully than me.

RENURPP 11th Sep 2016 00:59

It is an indictment on the writer/producer etc that they cannot write a script around an exciting event and keep it factual AND interesting. I agree that's modern media. (Not just Hollywood) having said that it is not a documentary it's a movie.

sms777 11th Sep 2016 10:44

Don't forget the fact that it was directed by Clint Eastwood with vast amount of experience....unlike the muppets made the Transformers ..:yuk:

Flying Binghi 11th Sep 2016 11:12

Havn't seen it yet, though having read about the dishonest story line I won't be wasting my money on it. Yet more Hollywood shiyte for the muppets to watch..:hmm:




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AerocatS2A 11th Sep 2016 13:16


Originally Posted by RENURPP (Post 9503849)
It is an indictment on the writer/producer etc that they cannot write a script around an exciting event and keep it factual AND interesting. I agree that's modern media. (Not just Hollywood) having said that it is not a documentary it's a movie.

I suspect that although an exciting event in and of itself it probably didn't have the elements that make for an engaging story, e.g., character growth and some kind of adversity to overcome.

tj916 11th Sep 2016 13:55

Looking forward to seeing it. I like Tom hanks.
Going on Wednesday, 100 baht at the local cinema ( £2) bargain!
And you can take your own beer and nibbles in.

Yag 11th Sep 2016 17:57

I look foward to watching it.

Originally Posted by mrdeux (Post 9500910)
First aviation movie that I can recall that made any attempt to get aviation right.

Really? Have you seen "Whisky Romeo Zulu"?

Biggles78 11th Sep 2016 18:50


Really? Have you seen "Whisky Romeo Zulu"?
Damn Yag, beat me by 40 minutes (from when I started typing). :)
Brilliant movie but not surprising considering the writer, director and actor (all the same person) was a pilot for the airline in the movie. Well worth watching IMO. :ok:


Whisky Romeo Zulu is available on YouTube but in Spanish. If you click on the link at the start of this line it may assist in getting English subtitles for the excellent movie. I believe it's also available on Netflix with English subtitles.

5000 metres 11th Sep 2016 19:28

I usually avoid Eastwood-directed flicks, but was talked into seeing this one last night and loved it. Hanks outstanding. Verisimilitude outstanding. Highly recommended.

dr dre 12th Sep 2016 06:23

Whilst the flying scenes were technically accurate, the decision to write the crash investigators in as the "villains" ruined it for me. It makes for good storytelling, but for accuracy it throws out the good work done on the crash itself.
And outside of the crash scene, I honestly found it a bit boring. There's no real character development, tension or drama, and sort of ends on a flat note.
There's probably been aviation incidents involving pilots nursing crippled aircraft safely back to earth that would lend themselves to a better script. Not a bad film in itself, but not one I'd consider to be a aviation classic.

Density 13th Sep 2016 05:16

Dr Dre

I tend to agree with you. At one stage I was looking around the theatre seeing if there was anything else more interesting. I sort of think that a more apt title could have been yielded. i'm sure the man himself would agree that it wasn't just him the resulted in the survival of all involved.

airtags 14th Sep 2016 01:06

best 90 minute safety video I've never seen!

5th officer 14th Sep 2016 04:25

Sully the Hero?
 
I agree about this being a movie I would not pay to see, we have seen the outcome countless times so there is very little to anticipate and certainly not a surprise ending, also the term hero worries me somewhat. The water landing was brilliant but how the crew arrived at this point is of some concern.
Although I have taught many crews the never turn back procedures over the years in this case there may have been some merit. After having both engines stuffed with wild geese I am not sure spending time descending whilst flying away from the nearest airport and attempting a restart was the best action.
I have always wondered if the NTSB carried out simulator re-enactments to see if it was feasible, in my day with an 18 degree climb profile and a 3 degree approach profile there is a good chance the height loss in the turn could have worked?
But I suppose it is easy to be wise after the event when saying this sitting at the computer and not sweating it out at the controls.

Ollie Onion 14th Sep 2016 07:38

^^^ If your assumption that an immediate return would work then proved to be wrong after you had committed to the turn then this could have killed hundreds of people. That is a massive gamble to make without taking 30 seconds to think about it and assess the situation by which time the decision is made for you, I am sure if it was flat land/water between them and the airport as opposed to one of the most densely populated bits of land in North America then a turn may have been attempted I suspect.

bentleg 14th Sep 2016 08:12

Best movie I have seen for a long time!

josephfeatherweight 14th Sep 2016 10:20

Yep, I thoroughly enjoyed it too!

Hogger60 14th Sep 2016 10:33

Excellent movie.

5th Officer, you should see this. You sound just like the NTSB investigators in the movie.

Metro man 14th Sep 2016 12:34

Worth seeing, shouldn't have taken the wife along though.

zkdli 15th Sep 2016 03:28

Best aviation movie in years, a very good insight to survivors guilt and a true view of the investigation from Sully's perspective. Ok the NTSB May have issues with how they are portrayed but as an investigator I have to say that I have seen some spectacularly bad ways of interviewing and this film shows some of them. The film really stands up CVR AND ATC transcripts were used verbatim so no Obviously wrong dialogue! Just Merican rt :)

currawong 15th Sep 2016 03:54

Metro, I often say the same thing myself....

Centaurus 16th Sep 2016 06:08

In another era I often flew Cessna singles with students from Essendon to various training areas. Usual initial track was Essendon direct to Westgate Bridge. The nearby Marylebone River was parallel to our track most of the time. My advice to students was if an engine failure happened and it wasn't possible to comfortably glide to Moonee Valley or Flemington Racecourses, then a ditching into the river was the way to go rather than risk trying to land at local sports grounds. Also not far to swim to the banks of the river. :ok:

propnut 16th Sep 2016 20:27

I've read his book

Highest Duty

I'm sure I will be disappointed with the movie, but i have to see it :)

Squawk7700 16th Sep 2016 20:55

If you haven't seen the movie yet, make sure you stay right to the end after the credits start where they speak to the real pilot, passengers and family. You'll then realise that some of the actors are the real life survivors and or others from the event.

Don't do what half of the movie-goers did when I saw it and leave too early.

PoppaJo 17th Sep 2016 00:45

Big involvement from US Airways in the production which explains the accuracy.

Sim pilots in film were actually check and training captains with the carrier.

Charlotte-based pilot helped Clint Eastwood get flight simulator scenes right in ?Sully? | The Charlotte Observer

troppo 17th Sep 2016 04:41

Suspension of disbelief. It's a movie...sure some ad lib/poetic licence to make it into candyfloss for the audience and sell tickets.
Even with a cold, dark heart, I found it moving and chilling in places...not since Watership down when I was but a child....
See if he gets an Oscar...

gerry111 17th Sep 2016 12:04

Centaurus, Always a good informative read from you.

But "The nearby Marylebone River.." cannot pass without a comment..

Perhaps Maribyrnong River? For most here are possibly living in Orstralia? :ok:

Hempy 17th Sep 2016 12:29

Couldn't be the Maribyrnong. The health issues would be less if you tried to put it down on the Tulla during peak hour rather than risk getting that water into your system!

Centaurus 17th Sep 2016 13:53


But "The nearby Marylebone River.." cannot pass without a comment..

Perhaps Maribyrnong River? For most here are possibly living in Orstralia?

Thanks Gerry,
Just testing the readers of course:ok: Mea culpa though. :ugh:

harrowing 18th Sep 2016 07:19

The FAs wandering around within a minute of take-off seemed out of the ordinary, otherwise an excellent film without too much Hollywood cringe factor.:D


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