Qantas Recruiting
 

I'm lead to believe Qantas are hiring from the pool of LOI and cadets at various airlines such as Qlink etc.

Can't complain about that! Time to brush up on the old CV and cubes exams hey?

Ahhhh moved to the GA area?

Last I checked Qantas was an airline. And it's a rumour about an airline... Not a GA company like Virgin or Tiger 😉

Yeah, because the guys in GA would be the ones more likely to be interested in moving to an Airline ROH111...makes sense yah?

Does Anyone have any news as to when it may be opened to everyone else to apply?

70 interviewed by the end of this week, first courses in August on A330.
There will be more next year to cover the 787.

All the hype about 100 plus new jobs and then tumbleweeds... yes I know pretty normal in this business.

From a very reliable source, early to mid 2017 and only maybe then. Grab any decent job that presents now, and reassess when and if QF begin to recruit and offer you a backseat job ;)

Qantas has made no secret about seeking circa 70 S/Os in FY16/17. There are approx 100 former cadets and LOI holders who are going through the assessment process at the moment. If they're all suitable then obviously it's going to be at least next FY before DE intake pilot slots will become available.

Of course this is aviation and many things change. My understanding is that Qantas has multiple 787 slots potentially turning up 'much more quickly' from 2019 onward- almost one a month was a rumour I heard- IF Qantas converts the fixed date/ cost options into firm orders. Whether they take them, what aircraft they may retire in the interim, etc are all the great unknown.

So I'd take Littlebird's advice on this one. Continue with your career and if Qantas happens to feature in there somewhere then that's even better.

Anyone hazard a guess/an informed idea of what kind of minimums QF will be looking for in S/O positions?

The ability to swim 50m and tread water for 3 minutes :ok::{

Don't know, but I can say that once the cadets and LOI pilots get a seat you will be competing against pilots who have been waiting up to 9 years for the gates to open.

There's no such thing as a "former cadet" :O

Sorry, I'll get my coat

That's still under review. I have a vague recollection of someone saying 'similar to The regionals' but not even sure where or when that statement was made or by whom.

Last period of recruitment minimums were roughly 500hrs command or 1500hrs turboprop FO. Link has minimums of 700hrs total and 250hrs multi. Plus the usual ATPL subjects, IR etc. No idea if that will be the same this time around.

Will senior level maths and physics still be a requirement ?

Physics was removed as a requirement for the last round of mainline recruitment. Higher level Yr 12 Maths, English or an approved bridging course were still required or having any bachelor's degree would suffice. Again not sure if this will be the same this time around, presently Qlink doesn't have any education requirements.

The real question is not what are the minimum requirements, but what above that will be competitive to get an invite to stage 1.

This is excellent news that Qantas are hiring and shortly to go external. Without mentioning the words "pilot shortage", worldwide demographics are good for any pilot in GA, the regionals or even those flying a jet in Australia.

Well I know for a fact that many pilots currently flying the RHS at airlines such as VA, Tiger etc are all interested in a QF seat if it were to become available. So you can bet the competition will be fierce since many have 1000+ jet hours.

Ten Two Hundred.... maybe.... depends on the working conditions and pay you have in mind. In reality, it isn't really that great unless you are already PIC on a jet.

atlas12 - competition will be tough, as it is for any decent job these days. This has very little to do with the amount of jet hours you have, number of type ratings you have, if you are a checker or trainer, or exceed the minimum requirements. The role is that of a second officer.
Most important will be that you are the right fit for Qantas. They know you can fly, you have a licence that says so, especially the back seat. Who you are as a person is where the focus will be. Online psych profiling, video interviews, and face to face behavioural interviews will no doubt be a major feature. All the best! :ok:

I also know a few people who are currently flying in the RHS of jets with local Australian airlines who said they will be applying, and I think it's fair to say there will be a massive pool of jet candidates from Honkers & the Sandpit who will also be applying in the hope to get back home.

Oh and of course you have all the regional turbo-prop captains to compete with.

Whatever the minimums may be, if you fall just on them, I wouldn't be holding your breath. In fact I'd suggest aiming a little lower to fill some of the above jobs I just listed...

This is a personal opinion on hour requirements. I've not been privy to any discussion with those in charge or even with colleagues involved in the selection process about flying experience.

Minimum hours are simply that. At the end of the day it's the person behind the hours that Qantas is going to be most interested in. A 5000 hour 777 F/O may miss out whilst a 1500 hour Dash F/O gets through. It'll come down to the entirety of the assessment process (and that includes the psych, skills, group exercise, interview, sim, and medical) rather than simply prioritising the person with more hours on the basis of their experience. Probably the only place the extra experience could play a part is in the sim assessment where greater experience may potentially assist.

So I don't want those with either heaps of experience or very little to think that it's going to play a disproportionate role in the selection process. It should come down to whether the individual can do the job and whether they're the right fit. Anything beyond that is superfluous.

If I could sum it up this way. It's no good being an ace pilot with heaps of experience if you're a knob.

Good luck.

Quite a few people in this industry should pay attention to that statement.

Hopefully there'll be spots for regional FO's (like myself) as well as the experienced jet jockeys. They better be ready for an avalanche off applications when they open the doors!

When you hire a pilot, you want to hire someone that could become Chief Pilot or head of check and training in their career with you. So in today's world of Part 61 I feel Qantas will be taking a lot of people that have the appropriate instructor ratings so they can become flight examiner/management down the track when the company needs them rather than having to send people off to do instructor ratings and wasting the time and dollar of the Qantas purse.

No offence but seriously are you relating FI rating to TRI/TRE? How about someone with a bachelor degree instead just like they do in the states? Last time I checked, FI is not a requirement to teach (i.e line training) someone at airlines.

Read Part 61 and 142 then get back to me. Line training you don't but endorsement, IPC, differences are all done by someone with the appropriate flight examiner/instructor rating.

Bugger :E

That being said I know of plenty of knobs who have made their way into airlines over the years, I can only hope Keg you do a better job of sniffing them out than most airlines. There is nothing worse than missing out on a gig than to a pilot who you know should not be in the seat.

As for BWAHAHAHA your thinking 20-30 years away. What good would an instructor rating do for you after 20 years of it sitting idle?

The Check and Training course at Qantas is essentially the same irrespective of whether you're a former military QFI, a former GA flying instructor or a line pilot with no previous flight instruction experience. The only difference i can see is that the person without the instructor rating already on their license needs to do the CASA PMI exam whereas the others do not. Cost saving? 1/100th of bugger all.

Indeed. Psychometric tests and face-to-face interviews will never be foolproof.

Psychometric psychologists are the first to admit that their tests are done a disservice when they are used as a precision tool.

Unfortunately, however, they are VERY cost-effective for modern HR departments when there are far more acceptable applicants than jobs available.

The tests will sometimes reject suitable applicants, accept less desirable ones, and often get it right by giving an acceptable candidate the green light.

Fair with desired outcome? Often not. But that's the rule of that game. Anyone applying would be well advised to be as prepared and as practised in the appropriate psychometric tests as possible.

PG

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Are they taking direct entry A380 captains? Slightly used, very experienced globally. ;)

Yep! Directly into the Second Officer Seat down the bottom of the Seniority list like everyone else!

J* just hired a bunch of turboprop Fo's recently, so I don't see any reason why Qantas wouldn't. I assume it was reasonably competitive for that position too?

Extremely so I believe. Everyone I know is still "under review"

What about all candidates turn up for a pub lunch for a few hours. It would become pretty obvious who is a knob, a right fit, and or, who might be the next chief pilot in the following hours and the process would be complete in half a day. HR not invited.
Good luck everyone.

If you don't hire knobs, how would you ever get any management pilots?

:D

Ahh, but like everything, there's a fix... They just need to do the "knob course"...

Email today confirms the first 10 new recruits start on 16 August. Welcome aboard to those crew.

The original forecast was for circa 70 pilots to be recruited this year. There are rumours (I've heard nothing official though) that it could be as many 10 a month for the foreseeable future. There are also rumours of additional command and F/O slots on the A330 to be advertised to crew shortly and may be related to the rumour of accelerated delivery of the 787s.

Maybe we'll know more about these rumours at the annual results announcement in about a month.

Thanks for the updates Keg, much appreciated!

Couldnt agree more on the 'knob' comment. Some recent examples from the line:

- An A330 Captain elects to 'hand fly' the downwind component of the BOREE arrival onto 34L at the last moment without pre-breifing his F/O. ATC have him cleared to 4000ft. Whilst hand flying, he busts that altitude by 200-300 feet and once called on it by the F/O corrects it eventually. No report on the alititude bust is submitted and as the Captain is one of the training sections 'golden haired children' no action seems to be taken against him.

- A relatively new A330 Captain has taken it upon himself to conduct in depth debriefs of F/O's after each sector. The problem is the 'points' he raises with said F/O's are actually wrong in fact in terms of SOPs, and the F/O actions were actually correct. When the F/O's get out the books and point this out the Captain just shrugs his shoulders.

- Another Captain is a devout Christian and mentions the bible continuously to the F/O's he flys with. This makes many F/O's feel uncomfortable as they do not share his beliefs.

- Finally another Captain is actually despised by nearly every other pilot on the base. Unfortunately because he does not have a peer group, no-one has the heart to tell him the truth....

If there's one thing that gets my goat...

Depends on whether you find that worse than a crew member anonymously slandering others. I'd much prefer a fellow crew member talking honestly about a subject that I've little interest in and managing that appropriately face to face than someone who tells lies behind a colleague's back and doesn't have the cojones to say anything to their face.

Every day of the week I'd take an honest crew member who tells it how it is about what they believe (even if I disagree with them) than an anonymous troll spreading lies.

I'm done reading your lies Mohikan. You can continue to attempt to malign people (and me) with your BS but I won't be reading it anymore. I'll stack my history and record here on PPRUNE (and in Qantas if you're actually a Qantas pilot) against yours anytime. Ignore list it is. My humble thanks to a good mate who reminded me of that function. :ok: