Is there enough traffic at MBB to warrant all this communication these days? Where the hell is CASA, there's altogether too much aviation occurring at MBB!!! shut someone down!!

YCEM have laminated A4 colour maps of the place. very handy! esp if you draw it on during clearance, similar to Ixixly's method

They moved their office out of Moorabbin airport years ago and into the Melbourne CBD.

YMMB.

The previous GAAP Procedures were uniquely Australian.

The current Procedures are ICAO and used at all "controlled" airports. Start Clearance, Taxi Clearance (including runway crossing and/or hold short clearances) and then over to TWR for line up and take off clearances.

As per AIP, there are certain "read back" requirements.

This is how it is gentlemen.

So please......

If only Squawk had named his thread:"Rediculous radio calls" we might have had some input from Dick..

At YMMB I hear lots of clearances acknowledged not with a readback, but just call-sign, eg.
ATC: EOK, cleared touch-and-go
EOK: EOK

It's got to the point now that I am mildly surprised when I hear a correct response from a pilot. How come instructors don't seem to be pulling up students on this ? I hear it multiple times from the same aircraft in the circuit so no-one is being corrected.

Used to be that the controllers would tell people off for this, but now they don't seem to bother. Guess when it becomes so damn frequent they lose the will to complain...

Just to be sure we all have it right, the Visual Pilot Guide for Moorabbin states that:

departures
You require start approval for the following:
1. All circuit operations.
2. Aircraft departing for airwork in the Melbourne Terminal Area.
3. Aircraft intending to land at Melbourne.
4. Aircraft intending to climb into class C airspace for a landing at Essendon.
5. If notified on the ATIS

Little old pilots undertaking private flights back out to the wilds of uncontrolableness from whence they arrived do not generally need a Start clearance.

I thank God that she has arranged for the Tower to spare me the torture of trying to remember a Taxi clearance that would fill enough pages to make a small book because I'm the same age as my aircraft and they call it an Antique.

Kaz

Alas, Kaz, not requiring a start clearance is not the same as not requiring a taxi clearance. You'll still need to request, copy (probably literally) and regurgitate a taxi clearance even if you're departing into G. :(

Hempy. I can't agree with your last post. It is redik you less!

Why? Looks like a runway incursion to me.

Probably stems from the fact Tower controllers can/do now simply acknowledge a call with your rego, with pilots thinking "what's good for the goose...."

not so much an incursion, more an excursion
 

The ATSB is investigating a collision on the ground involving Cessna 172,VH-EWZ (EWZ), and Cessna 172, VH-SYH (SYH), at Moorabbin Airport, Victoria, on13 May 2016.
During a touch and go landing, the pilot of EWZ lost control of theaircraft. EWZ veered off the runway and collided with SYH, which was stationaryon a taxiway. Both aircraft sustained substantial damage and there were noinjuries.


This one flew beneath the radar- and on Friday 13th as well! It happened a couple of years ago when a Warrior took out another Oxford aircraft- looks like this time the situation is reversed

Me at YMMB in a busy circuit:

ATC: "XYZ cleared to land, no need to acknowledge."

XYZ: "cleared to land, no need to acknowledge". ;P

Since the thread has taken a lighter turn... Am I seeing things? Is this a post from Dick that has (shock, horror) a sense of humour??!! Lampooning his own inability to spell rediculous, no less...:D :ok:

I was just pointing out that Start clearances aren't needed by all of us all of the time in Class D.

"..his own inability to spell rediculous.."

But that's what he's good at! ;)

Because most of the instructors are parroting back what they were incorrectly taught without any incentive to read what is the correct standard in the AIP. Professionalism.

(One of) my personal favourite(s) has to be "turns finals".
Really?
Do you also "turns bases"?
Ps. TurnING final (Singular)

While the radio call cited by 7700 is a lengthy one I'm kind of baffled as to why this is an issue? I know that it used to be easier in the days of the GAAP, but as professional pilots reading back a clearance should not be hard...

Writing down 31L B@A2 X 35L/R 22 HLD B3 does not take long long to write down. Just work out your own version of shorthand (i.e. adding something to X if it means cross vs. Xray) and if the controller gets shirty tell them to standby or tell them to repeat instructions more slowly.

If you're airborne and get a lengthy clearance to transit controlled airspace do you just turn back and go home, or respond "Nah, I just want to go to XXX so I'll just track direct, I know how to get there"?

I agree but YMMB has a lot of non professional pilots flying there. How do you think a student on his first time to start and taxi without an Instructor would fare? With that sort of clearance, not too good me thinks.