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rjtjrt 2nd Jul 2017 22:01


Originally Posted by Bevan666 (Post 9818841)
No, it is the fact the data comes from BoM and being presented by Airservices which is the issue. A third part provider was then scraping the data from the airservices website without permission from the data originator.

Ah, isn't it great to see how much better life is when lawyers get involved.
A safety initiative hamstrung by legal stupidity.

sdielectrical 7th Jul 2017 02:32

Thank You Ozrunways.

Rylstone Airpark's weather cameras are now on the map. Looks good :ok:

boofhead 11th Jul 2017 18:26

The Alaska cameras are essential now; I won't fly without checking them.

They are regulated by the FAA and are usually owned and maintained by them. Each site is shown on an attached map to see the coverage, they are time and date stamped, they also show a clear day image with distances and heights for obstacles and terrain features shown so you can see what is hidden by the meteo conditions and easily decide if you have good enough weather to expect a VFR arrival or to have a chance to become visual after an IFR approach. You still need official weather (AWOS etc) to be legal to shoot the approach.

The AWOS/ASOS system is also run by the FAA and meets the definition of official weather but those systems are not always working due to the tough conditions and poor reliability. There are times when critical info is not available (vis, ceiling, wind). In some cases this prevents a flight from dispatching.

There is a plan to add those items to the weather camera system, to automatically provide an official visibility for example. The cameras can replace the AWOS and save money as well as being more useful.

Imagination does not restrict progress.

Flying Binghi 6th Oct 2017 21:12


Originally Posted by triadic (Post 9777624)
Watts Bridge (YWSG) are putting a mount up for a wx Cam and wx station at the moment. Maybe a month or so till it goes live. Thanks to Dick Smiths donation.

ASA are working on linking other sites to their network, so there maybe a few extras on line during the year.

Talking to a National Parks chap the other day and he mentioned that they have been using the Watts camera for fire spotting. The camera has already saved parks some money and crew time. More kudos to Mr Smith..:ok:






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ianboag 14th Oct 2017 20:47

WS stuff
 
Just for the record. To put up a weather station with pix one approach is ....

4 webcams. You can buy fully weatherproof ones (on aliexpress) for about $US45. USB surveillance cameras. 720P = 1280x720 = 1 MP works fine for this application. All you actually want is a handle on what the sky looks like.
It is not hard to have history - weewx can do it or one can upload the stuff to Weather Underground

Have a look at nzdv.avmet.nz. The cameras get a bit grumpy about pointing directly into the sun.

say $250 for cams

I can understand a bit of scepticism re picture quality - the nzdv pix are about 90k for the four. With 20-minute updates that's 300k/hour - 15 hours makes it 5MB/day = 150 MB/month.

Raspberry Pi computer with a powered USB hub.
$75

Telstra USB modem stick.
$50

Weather station - anything from a Fine Offset (Jaycar) model at about $150 to a Davis that might cost $1000+. Given that wind tends to wander around from minute to minute you are not looking for a high precision direction or speed.

There is (free) Pi software to read these and other weather stations. I use weewx.

I cut the output way down from the weewx standard stuff - I figured if I am flying in or out, the main thing I want to know is what things are doing now and what does the sky look like. High for the month, rain yesterday etc are not really of interest in this application.

Infrastructure stuff - I use a 12V wall wart because there is power available. One could do it with solar. The Pi is a bit of an energy hog by solar standards, although the price of solar cells has fallen so much that this is probably not a problem.

You need is a pole to mount it all on and a box (up the pole) to hold the Pi, cameras, WS and modem. Could be $100-200 I guess.

Cellular data charges are diddly. Telstra have a 12-month data pass of 25GB for $150. Unfortunately that is their only 12-month plan - they used to have $50/5GB/12 months but that went away. Still not a lot though. The station uses about 200MB/month ... = 2.5GB/year

There would be room to raise the frequency or pic quality in these charges.

One can log into the system remotely for software maintenance and changes and stuff ....

So the bill of materials is change out of $1000 with a FO weather station and however much more for a flasher one.

sdielectrical 18th Nov 2017 04:33

New network of weather cameras Skycam Network - Home

MagnumPI 24th Nov 2017 05:09

^^^ Three cheers to these legends, my local airfield now has one. What a great contribution to the community.

Clinton McKenzie 24th Nov 2017 06:47

I’m intrigued and I’m sure there’ll be a technically logical explanation: Why aren’t the Airservices cameras aligned to the cardinal points of the compass? Why are they all instead aligned to the intercardinal points?

le Pingouin 24th Nov 2017 18:28

If you're referring to the cameras on this page they point in various directions:

Live Weather Cameras | Airservices

To pick several:

Launceston - 090°
Avalon - 030°
Albury - 060°

Clinton McKenzie 24th Nov 2017 19:38

Thanks le Pinguoin

Now I’m even more intrigued.

All of the ones that I picked at random are aligned at 45/135/225/315. Yesterday evening I thought I’d nutted it out: Cameras aligned 90/270 might be ‘swamped’ by sun glare, so better to align them 45 etc.

As a consequence of your post I now see different alignments, including Launceston’s 90/180/270/360.

So now my question is: Why the differences? :confused:

Checklist Charlie 24th Nov 2017 21:17

Can't say they are aligned with the approach paths because they are not.

CC

djpil 24th Nov 2017 21:51

If I was setting them up at my local airfield I’d have one facing towards Mt ..... as it would indicate cloud base and visibility the best (i.e. the place I always look in doubtful weather to help decide whether to takeoff or not) .... and the opposite direction is where I often look to see the approaching weather. NE and SW would suit me just fine.

growahead 25th Nov 2017 11:04

Clinton, it seems to me the cameras are set at 90 degrees arcs; and guesstimating the field of view of each camera is about 60 degrees, ie + or - 30 degrees from the datum.
Looking at Launceston orientation, a location I have some familiarity; it is true final approach to both 14 and 32 are not shown. However, I think the chosen orientations provide pretty good coverage if, in fact, the available combined viewing area is 240 of the 360 degrees.
For example, the 270 view covers tracks to the west, the training area, and the main inbound route from Devonport.
The 360 view gives good views of the busy VFR track through Targa Gap, and offers an indication of weather close to the approach to 14. It would also cover the valley fog that often forms in that direction.
The 090 view covers track to St Helens, over the high ground and as far south as the eastern limit of Evandale.
180 covers the track to Hobart via the Midlands, and towards Clark.
Generally speaking, all significant high ground can be observed.
Accordingly, I think, in this case, a strategic decision has been correctly made, to make the most of the available (240 or so degrees).
Just my opinion.

sdielectrical 27th Nov 2017 06:42

I think djpil has it.

The people that know what the best view is would be the locals. Every location is different and it also depends on the available vantage points where you can setup a camera easily and not have it obscured by a structure on the ground or even very close rising terrain. It also depends on the ease of plugging into a power source and having an internet connection.

It doesn't matter on which direction. It matter on the ability of the picture to convey the conditions. The cameras have a wide field of view. The ones on the Skycam network have a 70 degree field of view.

There is other useful information you can get from these cameras that helps locals. I flew into Warnervale the other day and was able to see I would get a park on the grass no problem. It's nice to see a few planes in the pictures and this will mean something to a local. You can see if a plane has arrived back or maybe if a car is parked there. This is additional to the main purpose of course.

A good picture should have at least half the image with the sky in it, have the camera level with the horizon so it shows true on the image and also show rising terrain that can be used to judge cloud heights against. It should be labelled which direction it is of course. Having a windsock in the image is a bonus, but even better if you can have some weather data on the image.

Squawk7700 7th Feb 2018 09:21

Just a minor update for this thread.

I recently purchased and set up a weather camera for an airfield.

The camera can be purchased here:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4G-WIFI-...wAAOSwjyhaIifr

Camera $175 (needs 240/12 volt power, but doesn't need a wired internet connection)
Telstra 4G data only SIM card (40gb - 365 days) $150
Upload your photos to a website (Approx $10 a month or even less) including a domain name. Eg. Myairfield.com $120 p/a. Alternatively, I have one and you are welcome to use it or there are plenty of people out there who can host your photos for nix.

Photo size 145k approximately.
Photo taken every 2 minutes. Therefore 20 per hour, X 24 hours x 365 days x 145k = Approximately 38 gig per year - perfect.

Alternatively an ALDI card on Telstra for $100 will get you a photo recorded every 4-5 minutes.

Also can add an SD card to the camera to record the same photos twice as often.

Long story short, aside from the 240/12 volt power requirement, this is a stand-alone system. No weather information is included, however you could just point it towards the windsock.

Year 1 cost - $325 (includes camera) - if photos are hosted somewhere for free
Year 2 cost - $150 (data cost)
Added to OZrunways as a weather cam - FREE (thanks guys for helping with this)

Not a big investment guys and it would be great to have more weather cameras, particularly in Victoria. There's only a few thus far!!

If you're thinking about setting one up, let me know and I can give you the finer details.

Ixixly 7th Feb 2018 12:01

I believe we had this conversation a couple of years back Squawk7700, So glad more people are giving this a go, CASA should be setting up a bloody fund to get more of these setups like yours up and running, a pitiful couple of hundred grand could have so many of these sites setup all over the damned country, it'd be amazing for everyone. Well done to you indeed.

OZBUSDRIVER 8th Feb 2018 06:09

John Eacott used to have a really good webcam on top of his hangar at YMEN. You could swing to Mt Macedon to the NW, the escarpment toward Ballarat and east to Mt Dandenong...that is if you could get control of the camera:}

Squawk7700 8th Feb 2018 08:02


Originally Posted by OZBUSDRIVER (Post 10045686)
John Eacott used to have a really good webcam on top of his hangar at YMEN. You could swing to Mt Macedon to the NW, the escarpment toward Ballarat and east to Mt Dandenong...that is if you could get control of the camera:}

Techno jargon warning:

That was my initial plan with the aforementioned setup when I realised that you can't remote control a panning / tilting capable 4G camera as when you're using a 4G data plan, (unless it's an expensive business plan) you don't get a public IP address, so you have no way to get back to the camera via your browser or phone. It probably would be cheaper to have a second camera or more, a bit like the Kilmore Gap cameras in ozrunways and elsewhere.

OZBUSDRIVER 8th Feb 2018 18:00

Squawk7700, and the cost may well be why John's camera is no longer active.

sdielectrical 8th Feb 2018 19:51

7700,

Where is that camera located at? Can you provide a link to the image or is it on Ozrunways?


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