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Creampuff 26th Apr 2015 09:50


Although there are many regs requirement for the fitent of seat belt on placement and type I'm yet to see a reg which requires by law that they are to be used.
That's because you have no operational experience.

CAR 1988 251:

251 Seat belts and safety harness

(1) Subject to this regulation, seat belts shall be worn by all crew members and passengers:

(a) during take-off and landing;

(b) during an instrument approach;

(c) when the aircraft is flying at a height of less than 1,000 feet above the terrain; and

(d) at all times in turbulent conditions.
(And there are rules about ELT's and PLB's.)

Stick to tuning the piano, and leave the playing to the experts. :ok:

AbsoluteFokker 26th Apr 2015 10:14

The point here is:

The existing "cost" of unknown position tracking of lost vessels/aircraft should immediately pay back the cost of fitting the units and buying a mega-block of satellite packets for the automatic transmission of location packets.

These LEO satellites, when positioned over Australia, are probably twiddling their thumbs and going "hey I received a packet! This hour too!" - I'm sure the LEO satellite operators would welcome a block purchase of such information.

yr right 26th Apr 2015 10:20

We'll atleast I know what a piano looks like and how to use it. As for operational use of aircraft a hell of a lot more experience than what u have or will ever have.
So question is why have seat belts when they don't work anyway in 99 time out of a 100.

Anyway Clinton had a yarn a few weeks back with a mate and told me about your Casa time. Interesting to say the least.

yr right 26th Apr 2015 10:53

May be we should stop doing dayl inspection as we'll because 99 times of a 100 you don't find anything wrong with the 1st inspection. We'll actually it's extremely rare you find anything with the 1st inspection. So why do them at all. Mmmm sounds good. That also cut paper work and also have a reduction of cost for the owner. Sound good Clinton.

AbsoluteFokker 26th Apr 2015 10:54

Yr_right.

Surely seatbelts, in accidents, improve the survivability and injury outcome more than 1 out of 100. If you believe otherwise, cite evidence.

Aussie Bob 26th Apr 2015 20:19


So question is why have seat belts when they don't work anyway in 99 time out of a 100.
It's alright Fokker, all he is doing is admitting he has zero hours actual flying experience.

KRviator 26th Apr 2015 21:44

For those among us who own their own planes, or have a supportive boss, consider APRS tracking.


It's basically a "poor-mans ADS-B" that anyone can use on anything (boat, plane, your wife's car), transmitting on 144 Mhz. The signal is picked up by volunteer Igates and uploaded to the interweb so anyone can track your progress at any time.


It's fairly popular with the RV crowd (the flying one!) in the US and available here too, for the cost of a licence and $200 worth of hardware.


You're not guaranteed coverage everywhere but it's a damn sight better than disappearing into the ether. If you're flying within VHF range of a decent town, odds are you'll hit either an Igate or a repeater and be able to get your packet into the system, and with tracking available in 10-120 second increments if you do go missing, they'll have a much smaller area to search.

CaptainMidnight 27th Apr 2015 01:03


For those among us who own their own planes, or have a supportive boss, consider APRS tracking.

It's basically a "poor-mans ADS-B" that anyone can use on anything (boat, plane, your wife's car), transmitting on 144 Mhz. The signal is picked up by volunteer Igates and uploaded to the interweb so anyone can track your progress at any time.

It's fairly popular with the RV crowd (the flying one!) in the US and available here too, for the cost of a licence and $200 worth of hardware.
For safety of life activity I don't think relying on something requiring the user to hold an amateur (ham) radio licence is quite appropriate.

Also the licence does not permit activity in any way commercial, and whether or not APRS movements are recorded for historical retrieval and analysis (like RADAR/SSR/ADS-B, audio recordings, flight plans etc.) is another matter.

KRviator 27th Apr 2015 02:21


Originally Posted by Captain Midnight
For safety of life activity I don't think relying on something requiring the user to hold an amateur (ham) radio licence is quite appropriate

I fully agree, and would never suggest betting your life solely on APRS - after all that's why we carry 406 ELT's in the aircraft and PLB's in the flight bag - however it is another layer of safety that is easily affordable, and generally reliable, and as such, is worthy of mention for those who aren't aware of it.


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