Maybe 'complemented' might be a better word then 'countered', after all, it's not unknown for the two branches of aviation to be graced or cursed (as appropriate) with individuals who have been involved in both. Not mutually exclusive, is what I'm sayin' ...

I think what he means is that appointments to senior aviation manager positions in Australia don't end up becoming an Old Boys (and Girls) Club

LookLeft:

I am saddened by your continuing optimistic efforts to avoid the obvious conclusions arising out of the Pel AIr matter, the Senate review. the colour blindness problems, the continuing Quixotic attempts by CASA to rewrite Australian aviation regulations and a host of other troubling matters, starting with anomalous political donations by an airline and including the attempted appointment of the former DAS to an international aviation body.

Given the prior behaviour of CASA, the simplest explanation for CASAs decision (for now) to avoid a direct confrontation with Angel Flight has nothing to do with the appointment of a White Night, AVM. Skidmore, and everything to do with the cowardly avoidance by CASA of a direct public confrontation with a well liked charity with excellent PR skills.

To put that another way if CASA has hard evidence that Angel Flight is a real threat to "safety" I would expect CASA to act fearlessly and immediately to close it down right now. Instead CASA has slithered away knowing that it can try again after the next Angel Flight incident.

As for Chris Manning "telling Dolan that the Pel AIr report is not good enough" don't be childish. The Pel Air report looks like a steaming pile of shyte that was deliberately concocted by Dolan and his acolytes to shield a subsidiary of a company with deep political links from any commercial damage and this saga is ongoing.

Mannings appointment to ATSB is just like Skidmores to CASA; attempts to put an acceptable faces on Two, now totally corrupt and dishonest institutions.

The fact that Skidmore and now Manning decided to lend their reputations to these organisations, knowing that they have no hope of reforming them, is to put it mildly, troubling.

I am not sure why you have decided to single my post out Sunny from the many that are here but I also note that a lot of your statements in the past about CASA issues have been wrong. Such as how PM&C would clean CASA up if they continued to embarass the government and recently how the Karen Casey case would be settled out of court. I'm not sure why you consider your insight regarding the Angel Flight issue is sharper than anyone elses but if the so called Iron Ring was that powerful then it would have been irrelevant what AVM Skidmore wanted. I think that it is more than coincidence that his appointment has led to a major backdown on an issue CASA went in hard and heavy on.

As to CM, he is no fool and yes, I still think that if he had been doing the Aviation Commissioner's job when PelAir was first released (had that job been in existence of course) then it would not have been released in the form that it was.


If you think CM would have put up with that then you may have to reconsider your accusation as to who is being childish.

No I won't put that another way because I give the reader credit for working out what I have written the first time.

Lookleft, I am the first to admit I'm often wrong about all sorts of things. I still believe P M & C could clean up CASA easily…if they have a mind to, I didn't say they were going to do so.

I also believe the Karen Casey matter, like almost all legal disputes, are better settled through negotiation out of court. This could, I believe, still happen.

You are free to think that AVM. Skidmore made CASA walk away from regulating Angel Flight, personally, as an old cynic with some experience in dealing with sacred cows, my instinct is that CASA knew it would have a very public fight on its hands if it tried.

As for the Pel Air report, I accuse you of wishful thinking. The report is not "just a bit wrong" and the result of a lack of due diligence by some lowly ATSB operator who was having an off day as you wish to suggest.

The Senate Committee process and the Truss review reveals that the Pel Air report is a very carefully concocted litany of lies, omissions and half truths. Further revelations of anomalous political donations beg the questions of transparency, bias and political interference.

To put that another way for you Lookleft, the integrity of the ATSB is now called into question.

To put that yet another way Lookleft, when I heard the reports of Dolans dissembling in Senate Estimates about his safety model and its classification schemes proving that Pel Air was a "minor incident" you know what I heard?

The answer is I heard me. As a management consultant in corporate strategy when I was a newly minted University of Melbourne MBA, I and my colleagues dreamed up and used all sorts of similar classification schemes to prove to our clients that we had superior methodology for solving their problems. Not to put too fine a point on it, we were talking BS and thats how I know so was Dolan.

As for Mr Manning, Two of my senior management appointments involved cleaning up corporate messes, but I always went in with my eyes wide open and with a Board behind me that was prepared (mostly) to allow me to clean out the stables.

For AVM. Skidmore or Mr Manning to enter CASA and ATSB respectively without similar guarantees of a free hand, freedom of action and a mandate for reform would in my opinion be foolhardy, unless of course they were invited in with the expectation they would provide window dressing while the dirty business went on as usual.

oh really?
 

I normally only hang around the test flight forum but this rabidness has certainly caught my attention.
So, I did some reading; about some of the so called; 'I have never seen the committee so united on this'; vintage Xenophon. Quinn et al by his side.
But there is no such comment in the Pel Air report that is under the signature of the chairman of that committee.
This sort of comment comes AFTER the unanimous committee findings under the heading of 'Further comments from Independent Senator Xenophon'.
AFP investigates 'withholding of information...'
Reading Hansard, there seems to be NO withholding. Mccormick said it had to be requested under 'Part 301' as per usual.
Dolan says that 'I knew of the existence of the report' and that everything in the report was 'already available to us'.
Australian GA: go figure...

FFS
 

FFS
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actus reus: any chance of translating your post into plain English?

2D: For who or what's sake are you effing?

Chris Manning's appointment is a good move for the industry. Manning will call it as he see's it and will not put his reputation on the line for bureaucratic incompetence

If the ATSB is as rotten as is said, and Manning cannot improve it, I would expect to see him resign in disgust.

Not so sure about the new DAS. Concerned he may be developing early signs of stockholm syndrome....... :{

Creamie

Nuff said

For the record
 

This is what you think you said:

This is what you actually said Sunny:


As for this I couldn't care less what you accuse me of:

Your predictions, forecasts and reading of the political wind are no better than anyone elses, despite your often stated qualifications,experience and connections.

creampuff, sunfish

haven't you realised you are being trolled by CAsA staff ?

obvious as hell.
W8

If sarcasm is the lowest form of wit then accusing people of being trolls is the basest level of posting. :ugh:

W8 I agree with many of the arguments and points made by Lookleft on various threads on PPRuNe. Sometimes I disagree.

I don't know or care whether s/he works for CASA or Calathumpia Corporation.

Sounds to me like Creamy and Lookleft are both a match made in AOPA heaven!!!

Still very much barking up the wrong tree Sotty Boy. I haven't been a member of AOPA since the highest category of license I held was a PPL and that was when the Cold War was at its peak and Bob Hawke was still riding a 74% approval rating.:ok:

Confirmation published
 

The Minister has confirmed the appointment.

Part 121 - wonderful expectations, but history suggests that most resignations are escapes rather than gestures... :E

It has also been confirmed that the new investigation into the Pel-Air crash will include the recovery of the recorders. It is believed they will be in good enough order to be examined.
Now, can Dolan and Manning work together?