ASIC Review
 

Strange that the Depart of Infrastructure December 2014 "Options Discussion Paper on the Scope of Aviation Security Cards (ASICs)" has not rated a thread or even a mention on PPrune, or did I miss it. Closing date for submissions is Feb 2nd.

Here is all the info. Come on, let's let em know how we feel about the ASIC!


http://www.royalaeroclubwa.com.au/us...ember_2014.pdf

If ever there was a chance gor the majority of GA to rid itself of the ASIC display requirements this is it. The Dept seems to have an appetite to reduce regulatory burden :ok:

You have a snowballs chance in hades.


Too much money for a lot of people and unfortunately, money talks....

Thorn bird, there are two or possibly three commercial ASIC providers who would be affected. AIA in Merimbula being the main one.

I just had a quick scan of the review document, and it seems like the outcomes are many, all of which will be more complicated and confusing to the majority.

I see absolutely no scope for improvement. I see plenty of scope for less security and more confusion.

Given the rate at which the morons of terror are popping up, doing stupid things, this is going to get worse not better.:sad:

This thread may meld the concepts into an understandable précis.


http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...e-inquiry.html


Who is the head bureaucrat that put this together with the Senate matter?


Bear in mind the Senate has an inquiry into aviation matters and the minister or department act as gazumpers with outcomes pre ordained and terms of reference to facilitate this. The ASIC is, and always a sick joke played on GA. Many supported it. You all possibly don't know who those are, but paid for the magazine anyway.

The whole ASIC thing is a total farce and contributes NOTHING to safety.

More cars have been used to blow up buildings than aeroplanes!!!!

Of interest, My old man drives a concrete truck. As part of his job, he has had to obtain an ASIC, so he can be ESCORTED to the point of delivery at YMML.
What's the point? he is escorted, and if you look a the regs for movement on a security controlled airfield, you must either hold an ASIC or be escorted by an ASIC holder...he's being escorted at all times...just another 200 bucks to the ASIC industry.

It's a fuggin joke!

Sack all the useless muppets running this and put em on welfare...it'll be cheaper!

It's because you can only get (at YMML at least) a VIC 28 times in a year.

From the replies to date it appears that the general PPrune opinion is that this Paper it is a WOFTAM, but just supposing some one, somewhere, in the Guvmint was listening, is there scope for a Flight Crew specific security card to replace both the ASIC and the AVID? Would that help or hinder? How could it work?

Unlike us, the USA did not knee itself in the face after 2001.

They seem to be fine.

Lumps,
Spot on mate:ok:

The VIC, is limited to the airport.
They overcome this by obtaining a Melbourne Airport Identity Card....the real one. From recollection of viewing the documentation, there's no security checks on it.

The ASIC isn't needed...they are escorted from the gate, to the job site and back again, with a few goons hanging around the job site.

I must ask the old boy how the contractors are dealing with displaying their ASIC....imagine explaining its lost......oh it fell off and is now part of taxyway X.

LOL

I'd be happier getting pineappled by some sort of yearly ASIO tax and do away with having to carry and display a worthless piece of plastic.

But how will I get my discounted duty free, food and coffee in the terminal without an ASIC? :E

jas24zzk I was under the impression you needed a VIC unless you were a passenger even if you are escorted.

Any of the guys visiting YMML delivering concrete can visit more than 6 times in a single day. Not to mention the contractors that are working on site everyday....a 4 month project... a VIC doesn't cover them. You said yourself, a VIC can only be used 28 times a year.

They end up with ASICs and Airport ID's.

No measurable increase in security, simply feeding the ASIC Industry

Yeah I understand. That's what I was saying about the VICs:
They have to get ASICs because you are only supposed to use a VIC 28 times a year.

Don't at all disagree the ASIC is completely useless and just a money drain.

Just to clarify, the limit is 28 days issuing being issued a VIC, not 28 occasions. So if you come and go numerous times in one day that should, by the regulations, only count as one issue.

ASIC and Security Inquiry
 

This is being discussed at:

http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...ml#post8815862

mods can you combine the two threads please.

I actually don't see why this can't be handled by the medical renewal/issue automatically.

You go for your medical, it triggers an automatic security check, and it all progresses from there.

I've got no problem with someone looking at my priors, and signing off that I should be ok...or even be interviewed.

Producing your Flight Crew Ticket and Current Medical should be enough to prove you are supposed to be airside......years ago in Uluru, having the key to the plane wasn't enough evidence :ugh:

Licence and ASIC...
 

If us flying criminals need to be monitored, unlike truck drivers, dentists and butchers...why is it not possible to combine the Licence.. a "security sensitive certificate"..( according to Auscheck, AG dept) with the security ASIC..aka Aust Pilots Sort of "security" Inconvenience Card.

A permanent/ 10 yrs ? photo ID Pilots Licence like a Drivers Licence...and when you commit mayhem they take it off ya ...and then you cant enter a security restricted area airside.

Aah thats right ..got to keep plucking the bucks from the flying peasantry :mad:

You want a system where the spooks actually do a proactive monitoring job ?, instead of just a quick records scan when we have the temerity to apply for an ASIC.

It'll never happen.

I am back in USSA to paraphrase the Beatles ( I keep forgetting there are those too young to remember them) and flying happily on my FAA pilot certificate.

No ASIC or equivalent required. Less airport security than Ayers Rock or the power crazed security team at Mildura..credit card licence.

It's so frikkin easy!

Why do the power tripping petty bureaucrats in Oz constantly want to build empires, complicate simple things and generally consume so much wasted time effort and money, not theirs of course, all of us who actually try to make a go of commercial general aviation..I am so over casa ( deliberately small letters) which is full of petty minded, though largely ignorant of industry realities.

There are of course always exceptions, and I truly thank the few in that pointless and tine wasting empire who have some realistic understanding of life outside the ivory towers. They are vastly outnumbered by morons who strive to make life difficult, to the point of impracticality, on a daily basis.

I was going to say that they are the worlds worst civil aviation body, but there are some highly corrupt central and South American countries that just beat them by making general aviation almost impossible. At least regulatory officials in these other countries can be educated. It takes a small brown paper bag, but then you can resume normal service. Those narrow minded dill at casa will seize some pointless, obscure interpretation of a legalese convoluted reg and use as an NCN to force an operator to comply with their opinion. Next auditor has a completely different interpretation. God help me!

Aviation Security is largely ineffective for aviation security. That is for operators, crew and passengers. For the aviation safety industry it is money for nothing. Pay peanuts, use monkeys and employ motherhood statements to justify this massive waste of time and money. Makes me sick that this nonsense is embraced by the Australian regulators and actively promoted as a contributor to aviation safety. Utter bullsh!t.

Rant mode OFF.

In USA now so it's all so much quicker easier simpler and cheaper. :}

HD

Closing date for submissions is tomorrow....

Just a reminder.

Things to Ponder:
1. Where was the evidence to base the initial implementation?
2. What evidence is there that it has achieved anything
3. What do other countries that are higher risk than Australia do?, ie USA, UK, Europe?

Old Akro,

You want evidence?? How about, how many terrorists have been caught since the introduction of ASIC's... None..zero...Zip...So there!! our security system works!!

Of course there are some who would say its not about safety and its not about security.

Its about MONEY!!

Like most things to do with regulation in Australia.

I have just submitted application to renew ASIC, and also coincidentally renewed my Passport.
Passport renewal easy. No certified photographs or ID Documents. Just application and 2 recent photo's (no endorsement on photo's neeed.
Contrast with ASIC. Certified copies of licence (multi page part 61, each page certified by JP), certified copy of passport, and certified(JP) copy of drivers licence.
Cannot understand. If Passport Office can do it so easily, why can't ASIC be renewed with same ease?
And Passport lasts 10 years, ASIC 2 years.
About 4 times the cost per year for ASIC.

It is easier if you can go to the actual issuing body in person. It is because you are doing the application by post that creates the ID verification process more onerous. In the case of the passport, you either go to the DFAT office or Australia Post who do the verification on the spot. If you could find an ASIC issuing body locally then the process would be very similar. That is, take your application and ID docs along, they check them, take your photo and money and done. Exactly like the passport process.

As for the cost and validity of the ASIC vs Passport, I agree that it does seem out of whack. The difference is, a passport can be issued to just about anyone whereas an ASIC does involve quite a detailed criminal history check both with the feds and state based cops and under the current legislation, that check has to be carried out every two years.

Looks like the Minister's appetite to vary the ASIC requirements for smaller airports and GA has been knocked on the head. :mad:
Maybe the new minister for aviation the Richard Smith will change things when he gets elected.