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Old 15th Jan 2015, 08:40
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ASIC Review

Strange that the Depart of Infrastructure December 2014 "Options Discussion Paper on the Scope of Aviation Security Cards (ASICs)" has not rated a thread or even a mention on PPRuNe, or did I miss it. Closing date for submissions is Feb 2nd.
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 09:29
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Here is all the info. Come on, let's let em know how we feel about the ASIC!


http://www.royalaeroclubwa.com.au/us...ember_2014.pdf
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 10:23
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If ever there was a chance gor the majority of GA to rid itself of the ASIC display requirements this is it. The Dept seems to have an appetite to reduce regulatory burden
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 17:46
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You have a snowballs chance in hades.


Too much money for a lot of people and unfortunately, money talks....
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 20:51
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Thorn bird, there are two or possibly three commercial ASIC providers who would be affected. AIA in Merimbula being the main one.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 05:14
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I just had a quick scan of the review document, and it seems like the outcomes are many, all of which will be more complicated and confusing to the majority.

I see absolutely no scope for improvement. I see plenty of scope for less security and more confusion.

Given the rate at which the morons of terror are popping up, doing stupid things, this is going to get worse not better.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 06:41
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This thread may meld the concepts into an understandable précis.


http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...e-inquiry.html


Who is the head bureaucrat that put this together with the Senate matter?


Bear in mind the Senate has an inquiry into aviation matters and the minister or department act as gazumpers with outcomes pre ordained and terms of reference to facilitate this. The ASIC is, and always a sick joke played on GA. Many supported it. You all possibly don't know who those are, but paid for the magazine anyway.

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Old 16th Jan 2015, 10:56
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The whole ASIC thing is a total farce and contributes NOTHING to safety.

More cars have been used to blow up buildings than aeroplanes!!!!

Of interest, My old man drives a concrete truck. As part of his job, he has had to obtain an ASIC, so he can be ESCORTED to the point of delivery at YMML.
What's the point? he is escorted, and if you look a the regs for movement on a security controlled airfield, you must either hold an ASIC or be escorted by an ASIC holder...he's being escorted at all times...just another 200 bucks to the ASIC industry.

It's a fuggin joke!

Sack all the useless muppets running this and put em on welfare...it'll be cheaper!
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 15:14
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It's because you can only get (at YMML at least) a VIC 28 times in a year.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 05:31
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From the replies to date it appears that the general PPRuNe opinion is that this Paper it is a WOFTAM, but just supposing some one, somewhere, in the Guvmint was listening, is there scope for a Flight Crew specific security card to replace both the ASIC and the AVID? Would that help or hinder? How could it work?
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 07:57
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Unlike us, the USA did not knee itself in the face after 2001.

They seem to be fine.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 08:20
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Lumps,
Spot on mate
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 10:34
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It's because you can only get (at YMML at least) a VIC 28 times in a year.
The VIC, is limited to the airport.
They overcome this by obtaining a Melbourne Airport Identity Card....the real one. From recollection of viewing the documentation, there's no security checks on it.

The ASIC isn't needed...they are escorted from the gate, to the job site and back again, with a few goons hanging around the job site.

I must ask the old boy how the contractors are dealing with displaying their ASIC....imagine explaining its lost......oh it fell off and is now part of taxyway X.

LOL
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 10:41
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I'd be happier getting pineappled by some sort of yearly ASIO tax and do away with having to carry and display a worthless piece of plastic.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 19:51
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But how will I get my discounted duty free, food and coffee in the terminal without an ASIC?
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 06:51
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jas24zzk I was under the impression you needed a VIC unless you were a passenger even if you are escorted.
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 09:13
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Any of the guys visiting YMML delivering concrete can visit more than 6 times in a single day. Not to mention the contractors that are working on site everyday....a 4 month project... a VIC doesn't cover them. You said yourself, a VIC can only be used 28 times a year.

They end up with ASICs and Airport ID's.

No measurable increase in security, simply feeding the ASIC Industry
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 09:22
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Yeah I understand. That's what I was saying about the VICs:
They have to get ASICs because you are only supposed to use a VIC 28 times a year.

Don't at all disagree the ASIC is completely useless and just a money drain.
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 00:03
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Just to clarify, the limit is 28 days issuing being issued a VIC, not 28 occasions. So if you come and go numerous times in one day that should, by the regulations, only count as one issue.

If a person has held a VIC for a particular airport for less than a
total of 28 days in the previous 12 months, a VIC issuer may issue
a VIC for that airport to the person only if the period for which the
VIC will be valid will not result in the person holding a VIC for
that airport for more than a total of 28 days in a 12 month period.
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Don't at all disagree the ASIC is completely useless and just a money drain.
I actually don't see why this can't be handled by the medical renewal/issue automatically.

You go for your medical, it triggers an automatic security check, and it all progresses from there.

I've got no problem with someone looking at my priors, and signing off that I should be ok...or even be interviewed.

Producing your Flight Crew Ticket and Current Medical should be enough to prove you are supposed to be airside......years ago in Uluru, having the key to the plane wasn't enough evidence
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