And hence, no way of accounting for the mod status of how many engines...........???

rgds
S28- BE

And who's responsibility is that??

All good to have specialist and expert operators modifying and getting full life out of these engines, but if Joe Average can't get the same results, there is a problem.:cool:

TC holder of the airframe and engine have responsibility to support continuing airworthiness.

That would be nice, but in RAAus ? The manufacturer can do all they like.

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That would be nice, but in RAAus ? The manufacturer can do all they like.

Please
Explain.

The TC holder still has a duty of care. In this case it is a rare thing that the airframe and end engine is the same manufacture

Not having much to do with them only lightly over the years though if you find a proplem with a aircraft you report it. If a SB is done its reported in the log book not back to the manufacture. If it's an AD and it's found you report it back to Casa.
The Jaba engine in this case is no different to an other engine mod status Lyc or tcm don't know whyere their engines are ether.
All that info is in the log book.
Large turbine engines are the only exception to this.

What is more concerning is if what the email said is true ( not doubting it but) is casa attitude. Sounds like the usual vindictiveness from casa. To point the finger and not show why the finger is being pointed is just a degrace.

Sooner we get a royal comesion into casa the better. Hunt the vermin out charge them and goal them.

I think it is best an RAAus expert should answer that. As you clearly do not understand the situation with RAAus, how it is different to GA, and you refuse to listen or learn from anything I post for your benefit.

Hopefully someone will explain what I said better than I could.

PS: how are you going with my simple question from a couple of pages back?

That's the funniest thing you've written in 12 months. Steve, honestly, I wouldn't let you touch my lawn mower let alone anything else with moving parts. You've successfully advertised your real lack of technical knowledge quite adequately during your time on PPRuNe.

So umm thanks, but no thank you.

Thanks Jabawocky- for your comment/s, awarness or experience as it were....

At the get go, Nil experience with RAAus/or the Jabiru itself, and may or may not understand the situation as well as those involved- but have friends with family who operate one, with all manner of family and children onboard from time to time......... as one does. The machine, 'I believe' to be on its 3rd engine.

From an outsider or broarder Aviation / Saftey System standpoint, it would appear that, 'they've' identified 2x Modes of Engine Failure- being, 1) failure of the Valve Train and 2) failure of Engine Crankcase Through-Bolts. With both issues going back 'some' (considerable) period of time.

To address/mitigate these issues (that to me, 'appear' repetitive and indeed systemic), the manufacturer has issued a series of Service Bulletins, over time- that, as pointed out (above) are not in themselves 'prescriptive', for want of a term....- without going into defined definitions.

The issues 'appear' to me, to be beyond say the repetitive failure of an Accessory Drive for example- indeed both result in significant/total failure of the engine/power plant, and resultant Thrust.

If one ran these issues through a James Reason Safety Model (as the rest of Commercial/RPT Aviation has to do) at what point, given the longevity of the matters, do (/did) the holes start lining up in the cheese..........???, and is something prescriptive, auditable and/or accountable required at this time, be that an Airworthiness Directive or some such....????

Is that where The Regulator (/and RAAus) are now at....????

Rgds
S28- BE

Note: in no way endeavouring to be provocative- and wish all involved well in resolving these matters- affecting at the end of the day, an AUS Manufacturer.

Almost all the engines are not certified
Same for airframes
LSA is toally under manufacturer control for modifications

Only -c versions carry any certification

Section 28,


we have moved way beyond James Reason now, haven't you heard?.


The new model in Australia is the beyond all sensible reason model, (BASR) as espoused by the head of the ATSB.

thorn bird-

Yes, indeed............... I do apologize, and shall immediately take myself out and get me a proper good 'BASRing'......!!!!!

Again, many thanks for pointing out my state of aspirational delusion.

Rgds
S28- BE

Cronyism
 

Ungermann and his cronies at CASA have not thought this through. Like a blinded wounded and angry beast CASA is looking to smash any remaining resistance. However unlike GA the target is a group of thousands of rich guys who own toys that they have bought specifically to get away from CASA's b*llsh*t. Most of them have no clue how their engine goes bang and just love Rodney's low cost model. This is no struggling small aviation business living from week to week on cash flow that CASA can strangle. This is thousands of rich guys who ain't going to like their machines being rendered useless and cop the value of the aircraft being reduced too nothing, on the basis of a gut feeling from CASA without any solid evidence. Owners will ask for all of this in the "discovery process". And after all was it not CASA who granted certification for the engine in the first place. For CASA to issue such an inflammatory proposal when they don't seem to have their ducks in a row, why not make the threat privately first?

CASA if your reading boys the Lilliputians are coming for you. Can wait to see the class action, its going to be f**king hilarious. Some parasite lawyers will be touting already :D

The only sticking point in that argument Oracle is that the rich guys wrote to him about the engine failures and asked him to do something.
Now they aren't happy with what he's proposing to do and want to go into reverse.

Really
 

Who are these rich guys, I would like to know who wrote in and asked for their plane to be grounded and devalued. There are many other ways to skin the cat rather than coming out with such draconian measures. Once again CASA's judgement has shown to be sadly lacking when it comes to the amount of force required to obtain an outcome. This should have been handled privately.When push comes to shove the reaction is always entirely predictable if people are losing money.

Ignore him Oracle, he got kicked off here for being a tool and this is his second post back after a holiday.

The rich guys own GA aircraft like the imported Marchetti I saw today unloaded from the US, the imported US aircraft like the Cirrus aircraft and the likes of the euro imports from countries I can't even spell the names of.

This "grounding" affects budget conscious pilots, ma and pa pilots that have had doors opened up to them by the development and sale of the Jabiru. Pilots that would otherwise not have been able to afford to fly an aircraft prior.

Aussie companies with a lot of employees and many many more behind the scenes making components as sub-contractors. The fuselage, wings, brakes, wheels, engines, flaps, radios, professional builders... Jabiru themselves and their employees are really just a warehouse, project management and development company. It doesn't just affect Jabiru themselves!

This isn't looking good for anyone involved.

There are more Jabiris flying in South Africa than Cessnas! I'm sure they are well across all of this!

Jaba
It may be a little surprise to you but not all Jabas are on on the RAA some are even under VH rego. Btw I hold a RAA lic.

Humpyy dumpty I was having a go at you. I'm
Not interested in your little toy. DF.

Jaba

Not so
Long ago you made a statement ( even though you don't know me ) that I didn't have very good trouble shooting skills.
Now you say all these things on how good you are. We'll how good are you. Why don't you come and work with us for a month and see how good you are. No engine enelayis gauges just what the aircraft has feel smell and real knowledge.
No computers to tell you what a wrong.

What you say. You up for it.

Yr_right, are you sure you have an RA Licence?

I'd say you have an RA-Aus issued pilot certificate.