Coast-watch contract renewal
 

Hi chaps, anyone know when the current contract expires with Cobham?

SN

2020 from memory

OK they wont be talking about renewing then for at least another 2-3 years.

SN

Looks like they will get the amsa as we'll. they converted all the planes for it that they need. That's awarded next month.
Cheers

Any news of who won yet?

Any news of who won yet?
 

I hear that Jetgo are on the shortlist with 4 modified Legacy Jets

Was told by head amsa man that will be awarded this month hold up with missing Malaysia flight. Suspect this week. Not looking good for pearl. Cobham leading as I was told

Makes sense to amalgamate both contracts and change the name [with Customs boats etc] and call it the Australian Coast Guard....:hmm:

Whoever gets it's the AMSA contract will hopefully base sufficient number of aircraft on the east coast where the majority of AMSA's searches take place. Having 1 aircraft in CS and ML with the occasional aicraft in Brisbane just doesn't cut it. A min of 6 (ideally 7) aircraft are really required to do the job.

The the $350K standing charge per base per month?

It's up to amsa for the bases not the contractor. Pearl winter to base an aircraft in Brisbane and other places amsa refused

That's the new contract not the old. Amsa set the original contract locations.

Which leaves you wondering how many aircraft cobham have put up with ample dashes available and the lack of the 328 that pearl have. Contract I was to be done this month.

yr right,
This week is now 2 weeks ago, seems your source is exactly what this forum is a rumour.

It's a contract. The fella that told me is quite high up in the scheme of things. Woop woop see what happens who knows. Maybe it has already been done and not released. Was told it was held back due to the 777 going missing if you know your stuff you would have already known it was suppose to have been done by now.

Won't be long.

Still no announcements? Very slow process by the sounds of it.

Just waiting on Mr Amann to get his tender in.

Now now Stationair that':}:}s just naughty! :D

At least the tender required respondents to have an AOC with the selected aircraft on it this time:E

Stationair8...;) Too funny!

halas

Just bringing this back up....

Any further word from AMSA etc?

Been a while now, has anyone heard anything??

Dash . Dash .
Dash Dash Dash
Dash . . .
. . . .
. Dash
Dash Dash

???

Lets see whats out there from what I've heard around the traps, 3 of which i believe are credible


Dornier 328 Prop
Dornier 328 Jet
Dash 8
ERJ
SAAB 340

Is the new contract from Jan 2015?


My money is on the Dash 8

Nothing out there yet????

Might be a tad awkward to swap the blue uniform for a green one when some of them swapped the green for the blue in the beginning? Wonder if those people would want to go back again or even if they'd be hired again?

Interesting times ahead... Wonder what use there is for the Dorniers after the Dash 8s take over? Back to the boneyard maybe? Re-fit for charter/RPT would be more costly than its worth but they've got unlimited funds so who knows what they will have a go at?

Did hear that pearl put out an email a couple of weeks ago starring they can't confirm or deny they lost it !!!

Just had an interesting phone call. Jetgo using emb135 jets are a very very very hot tip. Aircraft ready to go.

Ready to go as in 'some airframes available'? Or ready to go as in surveillance radar fitted, comm suite, drop mods and approvals? I'll never say never, but the idea of a jet for slow/low level search doesn't seem realistic. My money's on the dash...but then again, it was last time too...

Apparently ready to go full stop. Can get there quick good slow speed and good endurance. Just what I was told. The contract says what we won't and how much we will pay the rest is up to you. As I was told they on the money. I was a little shocked as we'll. I guess time will tell. Not looking good for pearl but.

You get told a lot yr right, some of it contradictory, I guess that means that whoever wins we can say to you "yr right!"

Funny Spooky
 

Some old 145's that used to fly in the country were originally (I remember/believe), were the MP versions, Maritime Patrol - good for LR ops - crap for pulling a load out of The Curry in summer......

Couple of different variants of the 145 Wateroff. The later model (XR) would do it easy. The only variant suitable to maritime ops would be a converted Legacy as it has the extra (considerable) endurance

D

Correct Skyairworld did operate two EMB145 MP' (SZF and SZH), but the MP does not stand for Maritime Patrol. The EMB 145 is available with different MTOW's and Embraer have named the different variants MK (19990 kg MTOW), MP (20990 kg MTOW) and the LR (22000kg MTOW). The MK and MP have the same fuel capacity (4132kg), with the LR having more (5136kg).

The confusing part (thanks to Embraer) is they have also used MP to describe a maritime version of the 145 built for the military. The EMB 145 MP is a new-generation multirole aircraft produced by Embraer to meet the challenging requirements of maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare. Derived from ERJ 145 platform, the aircraft can be configured for maritime patrol and anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare missions.
The EMB 145 MP's open architecture allows for integration of mission systems according to the customer's requirements. Its under-wing hard-points can be fitted with conventional and smart weapons.
The aircraft is powered by two AE 3007 turbofan engines, each generating a maximum thrust of 7,420lb. The maximum speed is about Mach 0.78 and range is about 3,020km.

Embraer Defesa & Segurança

Three view of the EMB 145 Maritime Patrol (MP) can be found here:

Embraer Defesa & Segurança

And this is the EMB145 (MP) that was operated in Australia:

VH-SZF Embraer 145

Embraer have also developed a Multi Intel version of the EMB145 and this aircraft is designed for:
• Ground Mapping
• Ground Surveillance
• Surveillance of Economic Zones
• Surveillance of Borders
• Search and Rescue

It still requires heavy modifications to be carried out. Details here:
http://www.embraerdefensesystems.com..._role_real.asp

My guess is the Jetgo tender would be based around after market third party provider of systems such as this;
http://www.uasc.com/specialmissions.aspx
http://www.uasc.com/products/mmms.aspx

http://gs.flir.com/uploads/file/prod...e_brochure.pdf

Traditionally SAR/ Maritime Patrol has been carried by turboprops, but even the RAAF is moving towards jet Maritime Patrol with the purchase of the P8 (based on the B737).

Aero cat. Let's see here. I get told a lot. Maybe because I ask a lot and know the correct people to ask and know them on a personal level. And as for be conadicting we'll know just updating what I have found out.

I would have thought 3000kms was a little short on range for this type of operation? And I assume that range is at altitude with no intermediate descent and climb back to altitude let alone a search of any description.

Tell that to the Japanese (GV & F900), Koreans (CL604), French (F50), Americans (P8 & Falcon). Plenty of people out there operating drop capable jets.

Lets see what happens next, there are capable operators with capable platforms. AMSA ran the Jet flag up the pole as far back as 2011 with the knowledge that the Doorknob had its limits and relying on Ronnie RAAF for the extreme range SAR coverage was not a permanent option.

The tenders were all in well before MH370 proved the theory, the Japanese GV demonstrated the capability on a live op and AMSA creamed their jeans with what a jet could do for range, endurance, response time, payload over and above their existing capability.

Personally I reckon they are hanging for any news from the Fugro ships out there now before they make a public announcement as to who won and why.:rolleyes:

i will put money against that theory, how much are you up for?