"Knowing Your Pilots"
 

A nice piece in today's Fin Review:

Palmer United Party

Mr John Smith.

Licence ATPL 556677.

MECIR ILS LLZ VOR NDB GPS.

Grade 2 Instructor rating.

Pressurisation systems.

Tail Wheel.

Constant Speed propeller.

B76, B58, PC12, DHC8, B737.

:sad:

Yep, I can glean exactly how "professional" this pilot is from the above.

:hmm:

Don't the statistics show driving to the airport is inherently more dangerous than the flight itself ... :ok:

For crying out loud :rolleyes:what a crock of :mad:...
Typical Palmer United dribble which has no connection with reality.
As "Myshout" mentioned, driving alone has worse statistics... now do you have a display on your windscreen for oncoming drivers to know "your stats/ID", coz darling, you're approaching a total stranger at a closing speed of 160-200 km/hr, many of them on the mull, some other tablet or "prescription"...:ugh:

Anyway, on the topic of qualifications, the number of fake qualifications out there is huge, even in Australia, because LOG BOOK CHECKS aren't done by airlines anymore on candidates due to the uncontrolled rise of the HR beast... who apparently know better.

Having to jump through all the psycho-babble, assessments and crosschecks just to get in a cockpit... then to answer to absolute wallies in the "Art Gallery" (Head office- where the "big picture" is) who try to justify their huge salaries in an attempt at trying to make it look they they are running an airline and know what they are doing... AND THEN to be answerable to Joe-public, armed with little knowledge...
:}:}:} I'm going back to flying freight!

We also willingly submit to all the security checks before boarding.
We also undergo full Federal Police background checks every 2 years.
In return, I'd like to see a full background check on all my passengers so I can decide whether or not I can trust them to get on my plane.
I worked for many years to obtain the qualifications and actually earn my position, whereas you were just the least hated in a popularity contest with no skills required.
Seriously, you just reminded me why politicians are so despised!

Ironic
 

How ironic that she is part of the Government that regulates both the safety and security of our industry.....

I always make sure I ask to see

1. My doctors credentials when I go for an appointment.....
2. An ambos qualifications before I allow them in the front door to save someones life......

........ Not!!!

Jacqui Lambie - Palmer United Party - Palmer United Party

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...-620x349-2.jpg

Nice teeth

If she can't trust commercial pilots without seeing some information about them. Then she has the option of taking a taxi to the wharf, followed by the boat to Melbourne and then another taxi to Canberra.

She's jealous...
 

From the Reader's Digest:

PROFESSIONS WE TRUST, 2013

1. Firefighters
1. Paramedics
3. Rescue volunteers
4. Nurses
5. Pilots
6. Doctors
7. Pharmacists
8. Veterinarians
9. Air traffic controllers
10. Farmers
11. Scientists
12. Armed Forces personnel
13. Police
14. Dentists
15. Teachers
16. Childcare workers
17. Flight attendants
18. Bus/Train/Tram drivers
19. Locksmiths
20. Hairdressers
21. Postal workers
22. Waiters
23. Computer technicians
24. Security guards
25. Cleaners
26. Builders
27. Alternative health practitioners
28. Plumbers
29. Mechanics
30. Accountants
31. Shop assistants
32. Truck drivers
33. Charity collectors
34. Professional sportspeople
35. Bankers
36. Financial planners
37. Airport baggage handlers
38. Clergy (all religions)
39. Lawyers
40. Tow-truck drivers
41. CEOs
42. Taxi drivers
43. Journalists
44. Talkback radio hosts
45. Real estate agents
46. Sex workers
47. Call centre staff
48. Insurance salespeople
49. Politicians
50. Door-to-door salespeople

Isn't it 'Burnie'?

She's probably never been to an airport.

She needs a good (or bad........) wodgering. But somehow, I think it would be lost on her, like Penny Wong. Right? :E

^^^^^

Dammit, illusion, I almost threw up...........

Maybe we should have criminal history background checks on all politicians and bureaucrats every two years.

Agree with her to a degree.

Sorry but in 10 years time, I'm looking to book a flight, I check the credentials of the captains n 2 flights.

1 has 5000 hours aeronautical experience, 2000 on the airbus 200 of which are in command.
The other has the same 5000 hours experience, 4750 of them on the airbus 200 of which are in command.

I know whom I am choosing and think we should know the experience of those in command, especially in this day and age of pay to fly.

competition?
 

Tima9x,


In that picture, which creature has the bigger brain? :E :eek: :ugh:

No offence but who cares what she thinks?.......seriously.....

Too true there AofA'. who does care?

This politician has already proven her IQ just by being a polly in the first place !
I get in a cab & it's an easy check to see if the driver is whom the ID says he is but that guarantees nothing. I too can drive a car & know it's capabilities & limitations just like the cab driver & most likely know more of where I am going than he/she does but does this so called Polly also drive a plane??:ugh:

I also think this poor misguided Polly thinks that just 'cause she is subjected to the madness of security in this country when flying that we pilots can come & go do as we please with no checks in place & we are a threat to anyone whom steps aboard our plane/s.

Oh boy life is getting sillier & sillier


Wmk2

I'm pretty sure it's Burnie, but according to Palmer United it's Bass Straight too, so.....

Displaying IDs in Taxis came in to discourage rogue cabbies doing bad things to passengers or their possessions, by increasing the likelihood they would be identified. It does nothing to prove their professionalism. I could elaborate further but I'd rather just say she's an idiot and move on...

It's them two heads trying to out do each other in an attempt to justify her existence. Just wait till she finds out about cadetships

Yep, IDIOT. Move on.

Can't you just see the mayhem at the airport.

All pax have vetted the crew and happily checked in. At the last minute Bloggs trips on the Jacob's ladder spraining his anke, so Fly With Us Airlines calles in two reserve pilots and advises the pax.

They all take to their iDevices and research F/O Mustaffa Abdallah, 5000 Hours on type but what about that name. And the other option is F/O Cissy Cadet, 250 hours just out of cadet school.

So all the pax withdraw from the flight, and are now arguing with the checkin staff that they must get on a flight with pilots that THEY approve of because they have a very IMPORTANT meeting to attend.

Sheesh! :ugh::ugh::rolleyes::ugh::ugh:

it is all dribble.

when you get into a taxi it is "take me to destination x"

when you board a flight you are using a service scheduled by an airline. you have no choice where it is going.

the relationships are totally different.

Devil's advocate
 

I'm not sure of the usefulness of a discussion where everyone agrees with everyone else so...

If I step into a Taxi (a very rare occurrence) I usually sit at the pointy end, next to the driver. I feel that, to a certain extent, I'm in a position to assess and do something about the driving if it concerns me. That might range from thinking 'I've only got another minute 'till I'm there', to mentioning the motorbike in peripheral view that clearly isn't going to stop in time before we reach the intersection, or simply asking the driver to stop the cab please and let me off.

Obviously these things aren't so easy to do when one's in an aircraft (assuming we're talking a reasonable sized machine here and you don't get the chance to sit next to the driver!).

In this case you are entrusting you life to person whom you may not even be able to see, let alone observe how they perform on the job.

Being able to peruse that person's qualifications will not allow you to assess their competency on the day, but it would demonstrate to you that they have passed the requisite training, have nothing to hide, and others have previously assessed their competency. Depending upon the detail it could also allow the more knowledgeable to assess their level of expertise/experience.

Practically this may not make much difference but what's the harm in fully disclosing this information? That in itself could well allay a few issues people may have - the unknown can be a powerful fear in itself.

FP.

Bloody hell!!

Well lady, traditionally an airline pilot was someone who worked their way up through the industry, was a long term part of the industry (with a vested interest) and probably would have been weeded out by that process if they were a complete ****.

Nowadays, every passenger is a f---ing expert and believes we sit there and do absolutely nothing. They also think it is entirely reasonable to climb into a 50+ million jet and fly 4 hours, being waited on hand and foot (or not) for less than it costs for a 20 min Sydney taxi ride.

Maybe instead of "getting to know us", how about you do your job, stand up in parliament and insist they put an end to the race to the bottom.

Let the bloody nutter travel by boat. She can ask to see the skipper's ticket and I am sure that he will give her personal viewing in his cabin. Especially if it's an Italian cruise ship.

It does not say much for the intelligence of some voters that these people get political appointments. Which the intelligent voters then fund. Argghhhh.

Ms Lambie's fearless leader, it must be noted, is smart enough to keep his flying machine on a foreign register, probably uses foreign pilots as well? maybe he knows something we don't?

I think all commercial pilots should be made to wear their current pilots licence on their person, like the airlines do, like an ASIC card. This is less of an issue for airline pilots.

If you get into a taxi and there's no licence there on display, you can demand to see it, otherwise note the details, take a photo and head to the Taxi Directorate or Police. It should be no different for a pilot.

Would the situation have been different if Barry Hemple was made to wear an ID badge (he wouldn't have had one)?

I know of pilots that have taken fare paying passengers without a CPL.

When an electrician comes to your house, you can request to see their licence.... it's no different really.

That might work if the license was a single card like the FAA or NZ, but that bloody great book so favoured by us and the Poms? Nah, won't work.
Anyway, how easy to get something bodged up in Thailand? While you're at it, put A380 on it willya?
Ferry pilot mate of mine flew all over the world on a Peruvian motor mechanic's card. Because it had a photo, a number and some official looking Spanish coat of arms it worked everywhere they did not speak Spanish. He did have proper i.d. but liked to jerk officialdom's chain at every opportunity simply for the sport of it.

All you needed to know was clearly spelled out in the last line of Capn Bloggs' opening post. "Palmer United Party". Like Iron Bar said ," IDIOT,move on."

We need a "like" button on this forum.:ok:

Just another classic example of Pollywaffle...

I wonder if ol' Clive's Titanic II Captain will be forced to show his ID to the passengers?

This woman is a senator-elect for Tasmania yet is unable to spell the name of a city that she represents. BURNIE dear lady, BURNIE, not Bernie. Burnie is the town, Bernie sleeps with people. God help Tasmania!

LewC said it fairly well.:ok:

Whilst on the aforementioned political party; Anyone have any comments as to how long it will be before said party 'implodes?'

I give them one term in office, max!

Comical part about it is she might know who her cabbie is, but the cabbie probably doesn't know who owns the cab he's driving, nor whether it's properly maintained or insured, especially here in Melbourne

If you think I'm kidding, wait till you have a collision with a errant cab and see how far you get claiming on their insurance, or even finding out who the registered owner is. I speak here from hard won experience.

Or, next time you jump in a cab, ask your driver if he knows who the registered owner is.

He will likely respond by saying his brother or cousin.

Just rechecked the letter and yes, it does say "Bernie". :ok:

2 pages wasted on what could only be termed an "imbecile" with the IQ of a gnat!

Guilders, that's a bit harsh on gnats, isn't it?

If I needed to make money out of aviation in Australia, I'd be extraordinarily careful not to offend the likes of Senator Elect Lambie and her colleagues, who will soon have the balance of power. :=

The future of aviation regulation and accident investigation in Australia is in the Senate's hands. Don't bite them.