One look from Al will have the perps cowering. One hour of ICUS with Al will have the perps begging for police action.

If the local filth can't work out who this was they should be transferred to the Cross. I reckon if someone paid my wages for a fortnight I could work it out. When I found out who it was I would use the doods that are very effective at debt recovery, they ride motorcycles.

Holy sweet jesus.

Do none of you realize that you can move overseas?

Heck, I'm not even in Canada anymore.

No they don't flyboy. Why would you move from the epicentre of world aviation? Worlds best aviation practice here mateyboy ;)

Capn Bloggs & Kalavo
 

Do you both think that because my current location is Indonesia, that I must therefore be an Indonesian citizen..

Guys, please don't assume you know who or where someone is from or their background for that matter..

I am currently sitting in my room in Nabire, West Papua (Indonesia). I have over 200 hours on that actual aircraft VH-UMV,

You know what they say when you ass/u/me something ;)

Andy

Seems at least two people involved. Two different styles of handwriting and (to my eye) different coloured paint. The paint on the windscreen wasn't sprayed either. Maybe a leftover can one of the germs had in the shed.

MA15+
Frequent Coarse Language

The best bit is about 00:20 sec mark, you can hear another one in the background :}



p.s just to lighten the mood!

that was awesome! despite having signs around everywhere, warning of aircraft noise, they still complain.

I lived in sight of the salt ash range when at williamtown, loved the friday morning shows! and sounds..

I used to drive to Tyagrah most weekends as a teenager (16 odd years ago) so my sister could go horse riding up there. Last time I went through there I recall a much wider and faster highway now runs through the middle of the area which I would bet makes more noise constantly than any aircraft. From google maps the area is just as isolated as it used to be and the only nearby properties are all rural.

I would wager its some new resident expecting to move into hippy town and is upset they can't hear the whale songs they expected while lit up.

Maybe some Rhino drivers could do some practice airfield attacks on the way back from Evans Head, show them some real aircraft noise.

Pigs (RIP) used to show more than just noise at Evans Head, they rained some destruction as well!

That recording was awesome! Took me back to my days at a base in Queensland where I had the (brief) responsibility for fielding noise complaints from tax payers. I have copped similar spray over a telephone line, and it is quite a challenge to maintain composure.

Some of the complaints were genuine, occasionally heartfelt and on one or two occasions, very sad. Most of the time, you were a focus for stress relief, and once they had let off steam they were generally pretty happy.

Once in a while there were some pearlers. One new local who had recently purchased property (at significant discount) directly under short finals wanted us to re align the runway so arrivals and departures would avoid his farm. "Steer her into the wind, cap'n!"

Another sincere request came from a woman who assured me that her son was very knowledgeable about aircraft, and therefore knew full well that they could fly at 30000 feet and "even higher". Why, then, did they have to come in and land so low?

Sorry for the topic creep... back to the studio!

Edit: Hempy's post shows a flyover of the Range Hut at Evans Head... the damage was NOT part of the annual operating budget...

I would be starting my line of enquiry with this person:

Aircraft noise an issue at Tyagarah - Echonetdaily

then acquire all noise complaints dating back 3 years

She runs commercial self catering apartments so has a vested interest.

See the names listed as hosts.

Julians Apartments | Byron Bay - NSW Accommodation | Drive Australia

Maybe someone very local has acquired the services of some local scum bags,- rewarding them with grog and/or a bag of dope to do the deed.

The plot thickens !

The ANO has an excellent write-up about aircraft noise - and I feel the general line he is taking, is that too many new housing developments are being pushed by unscrupulous developers, in areas where aircraft noise is highly discernable and at a conversation-ruining level - and that these developers quite possibly are not making it clear to buyers, what the aircraft noise levels are likely to be.

He also points out that Council information about aircraft noise is also likely to be generalised and not informative enough for many buyers.
He mentions the pertinent point, that many people are capable of coping with high levels of aircraft noise, whilst others have a very low level of discomfort.

http://www.ano.gov.au/reportsstats/r...raft_noise.pdf

Can airports put caveats or whatever they are called on surrounding land
to pre warn any buyers that the airport is there and that is it.

I seem to remember quite a few years ago people getting up in arms
about Melbourne and the Gov't clamped down. I know it is a different
scale but was wondering.

Yup - did a cadet visit to that range and stood on that portable building for a flyby like that, although I am guessing that one was not subsonic :)

I think Capt Fathom provided a good clue. Not only would they have had to know where the tanks were, but what sort of tool to bring along to puncture them. If any workshop paint was used that's also a clue.
I wouldn't rule out an inside job - angry employee etc.

Just a comment re the Nazi symbol, albeit a very bad one.

Firstly, it looks to be a bit of an after thought.

Secondly, it is not something you see much of in Aus.

Thirdly, some people below a certain age I doubt would
know what it is.

So does that lead to someone older ?

I guess your kids don't play "Call Of Duty"!!

Kids get a VERY good taste of WW2 history from many angles.

I don't have kids but agree re that game. But before that ?

I think cowl flaps (#54) is probably on the right track. I live locally and worked at Tyagarah for 10 years, mostly flying DH82, C172 and microlights, but also some para ops in their old C182.
The noise complaints were constant, and the source of the problem was usually training ops from Cooly, but Tyagarah always got blamed.
The parachute operation there tries to minimise noise impact where possible, but are often required to climb over land, and some pilots are not as thoughtful as others about their impact on locals. When they are busy, which is most of the summer, ops are often early am to dusk, 7 days/week with a turnaround time of 20-30 mins, so I can understand it will be annoying to some locals, but I can confirm that all the serious complainants over the years have been recent arrivals who bought near the strip and then got upset. At one point a very well off one offered to pay the Council the equivalent of the revenue the strip was generating if they would close it!!

On the other hand, the parachute operation has become very big and there is a lot of money being made, and it is evident that this often takes precedence over other issues.
It is not an all weather strip and at times the Council closes it due to rain. The jump plane usually continues to operate with the result that the strip becomes unusable to other operators due to the huge ruts created, and this has caused damage to other aircraft. This cavalier attitude reached a point last year when the strip was closed while Council workers were filling ruts caused by the skydive aircraft. There were a number of workers and a truck in the middle of the strip about 200-300 metres in from the eastern end. All operators had been informed about it, but the 208 taxied out past the large "Strip Closed" sign and took off over the workers. Everyone at Tyagarah realises that we need to work with Council to keep the strip open and maintained, this sort of behaviour doesn't help.
(Apologies for thread creep).

Update, just informed by a reliable source at Tyagarah that the tanks have been temporarily patched and the aircarft flown out for repairs.

I hope they catch the clowns who did this and not only throw the book at them but belt them over the head with it..... twice!

Good to hear from a local perspective there scrufflefish. There are certain elements of cowboy'ism being displayed there from what you have described, so perhaps the locals do have something to whinge about. My inlaws live near 10nm from a drop zone and if you're in the garden or the shed you can constantly hear a couple of parachuting aircraft operating so I can imagine it might get a bit tiring if you lived closer. I would be p.i.s.s.e.d if I bought a place 5 miles from an airport and the air traffic doubled in the years following. Many of us go to our airports on the weekend, go off flying, come back and go home again so don't really experience it from a locals perspective. (not suggesting that this was deserved of course)

Does this aircraft do the round to other drop zones? I'm pretty sure that I saw it being "hot fuelled" on a number of occasions :ouch:

It has done the rounds, got a few hours in it! If you buy near an airport and the traffic doubles, still your problem ;)

Hot refuelling is in the ops manual, is legal & perfectly acceptable in this operation.

VH

"I would be p.i.s.s.e.d if I bought a place 5 miles from an airport and the air traffic doubled in the years following."

Come on, that's the same argument those NIMBY wankers in Sunbury and Western Suburbs of Melbourne have been using re complaining re the number of flights from Tulla and the building of the new runway.

They knew the airport was there before they purchased.

Have seen hot fuelling on numerous occasions, I understand that the TBO of the PT6 is based on cycles as well as hours, and at 14 mins wheels off to wheels on they will run out of cycles before hours if its shut down after each sortie, hence the hot refuelling (have also seen it done as pax are loading). Carrying more fuel is not an option if you want to put 17 or 18 jumpers in it.
Years ago when I did a bit of jumping there, a crowd of fun jumpers started piling into a 208, one of whom was the owner. Someone did a head count and there were 22 jumpers on board, the owner said "She'll be right, lets go!" I was lucky enough to be out of the crush in the only passenger seat, next to the pilot, and the low fuel warning light was flashing as we taxied out..........

"It is not an all weather strip and at times the Council closes it due to rain. The jump plane usually continues to operate with the result that the strip becomes unusable to other operators due to the huge ruts created, and this has caused damage to other aircraft"

Funny this.

When the council were going to close the strip, the company would get warning and operate out of Ballina. Over the 4 years I was associated with the company, this happened a lot.

The huge ruts? The caravans operating at Tyagarah would have large wheels, the ruts were caused by planes with much smaller wheels.

@scruff: easy fix, just pull out the annanciators...:hmm:

With all due respect sarge, I've flown at Tyagarah for 18 years and continue to do so, have spent a couple of years living on site and operated my Tiger there commercially for 6 years. I've been an instructor, a skydiver and charter pilot. Sometimes skydive moves their op to Ballina when its wet, and Council allowed them to take off empty to relocate even though the strip was closed, a fair compromise. They have since started abusing that privilege by taking off on a wet strip with a full load, then by just operating normally at Tyagarah when its closed, with a "Fcuk you" attitude to other users. The damage is done by the 208, fact. You don't want to hear that from me, ask any other user. I can refer you to the Gliding Club, The current DH82 operator, the helo owner, the ultralight pilots etc etc.

That will happen when you are taxiing on minimum fuel and you turn the aircraft, causing the fuel to slosh around. When it goes steady, then you have 25 gal. remaining. If you don't know what you're talking about, it can be concerning, but not in itself dangerous.:ok:

Not when there is nobody at the controls or even in the aircraft... :ouch:

As of last Sunday there was a 3-4 metre wide soft sandy patch near to the centreline about 200 metres from the 05 threshold.

A place deserving of a close look first. Generally speaking.

"They have since started abusing that privilege by taking off on a wet strip with a full load, then by just operating normally at Tyagarah when its closed, with a "Fcuk you" attitude to other users."

Sad to hear. A pity, as it didn't used to be that way. Left a couple of years ago so sounds like things have gone downhill.

MakeItHappenCaptain, yes, I wasn't worried once the pilot pointed that out, and anyway I had one more parachute than he did! :ok:

X, you need to get amongst a turbine operation like this, then you'll see what's safe and what's not ;)

What an absolute crock. The overwhelming majority of our society is at work or school during the day, or at the very least, they're awake. Unless you happen to be hanging around with junkies in DHS accommodation. Otherwise, how do you explain that the traffic is roughly 5 times heavier when I'm driving to work at 7 am than when I'm coming off night shift at 5 am? Why are shops open during the day and closed at night?

I've worked night shifts many times while living with neighbours who seemed to enjoy loud music, loud cars and loud arguments. And I got through it, without feeling the need to run off to the council or the body corporate to complain. Why? Because I'm the one sleeping at different times to everyone else and they were there first, so I've no right to complain.

Sounds to me like the residents surrounding Tyagarah need to swallow a shovelful of cement and harden the f*** up.

We never seem to see people who buy houses next to railway lines campaign for their closure. Or freeways. Or industrial complexes. Its only airports that seem to be whipping boys. This is probably aided by developers who see profit in subdividing airports, but at some point we just need to toughen up and be less apologetic.

At my home airport one of the main complainants lives next door to a cement plant and the other backs onto the railway line. And they complain about aircraft noise!

I think a lot of the people who complain about aircraft noise has underlying personal issues.

It's not just airports, the same type of people also complain about things like wind farms. They ignore the fact that years of research found that wind farms do not lead to health issues, instead they blame wind farms as the reason why their lives are unhappy.

Maybe it's worse around Byron Bay, where there is more of a drug culture and the associated psychosis.