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Avgas172 22nd Nov 2013 21:31

Good reading in this thread ...
 
For those of you (like me) that don't normally wander far from GA dunnunda this thread in the heavy metal section is good reading ...
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...g-airport.html

Cheers
A172

Captain Dart 22nd Nov 2013 22:40

Probably apocryphal, but after a British captain landed at the wrong airport decades ago (may have been on one of the several parallel runways on Singapore Island), ATC asked him what his intentions were. Answer:

'A chicken farm in Surrey'.

Sarcs 23rd Nov 2013 19:39

Sundy banter between sessions at the GABBA..
 
Yes Avgas172 fascinating read...:ok:

It has got shades of the various Essendon v Tulla mishaps over the years and just like gear up landings will continue to happen while us mere mortals continue to peddle airborne tin and plastic around the place..:rolleyes:

Pooh tube grab of T/O the next day...brings a whole new meaning to short field T/O :E: [YOUTUBE]Boeing Dreamlifter Takeoff Jabara Airport Wichita KS - YouTube
By the way grabbed that vid from a Flying Prof blog which gives a credible scenario of how/why this incident may have happened..:D:

Landing Dreamlifter at Jabara is Nightmare for Pilots

Copy of some of RT transcript:

Atlas 4241: Good evening, McConnell tower. Giant 4241 heavy is on the vis – er, GPS, RNAV GPS approach 19 left.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241 heavy, McConnell tower. Check wheels down. Runway 19 left, wind 140 at 4, cleared to land.
Atlas 4241: Clear to land, runway 19 left, wheels down. Giant 4241 heavy.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241 heavy, check wheels down.
Atlas 4241: Giant 4241, go ahead.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241 heavy, check wheels down and expect a mid-field turnoff taxiway Delta.
Atlas 4241: Giant 1440 – 4241. We might – We’ll get back to here momentarily, we’re not on your approach.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241 heavy, McConnell is 9 miles south of you.
Atlas 4241: Uh, yes sir. We just landed at the other airport.
Atlas 4241: And McConnell Giant 4241.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241 heavy go ahead McConnell tower.
Atlas 4241: Uh yes sir – uh, apparently we’ve landed at B E C.
KIAB tower: Giant 4241, verify you’re on the ground at Beech Airport?
Atlas 4241: We think so.
And FP's possible scenario on this rather embarrassing incident :O:

It’s not entirely clear what happened, but here’s a plausible scenario: After passing the IAF at WITBA, the pilot began a descent, nominally to 3000 ft. The pilot knew he was on an RNAV (GPS) 19L approach, because he read back the clearance that said so, but may have been thinking about a visual approach. Indeed, the recording shows that he started to say “visual approach” rather than “RNAV (GPS) approach”.

At some point, he saw the runway environment of KAAO, which has the same alignment, more or less, as KIAB. Seeing what he expected to see, he discontinued the instrument approach, and flew the approach visually. It was only much later, after he landed, that he realized that he was still short of WARUN, much less KIAB.

The pilot was cleared to fly an RNAV (GPS) approach. That approach clearance requires that he maintain at least 3000 feet until passing the FAF, WARUN. Had the pilot flown the instrument approach as required, there would be no possibility of mistaking KAAO for KIAB, since the approach required him to fly at 3000 ft MSL over KAAO, 1600 above ground level. Upon reaching WARUN, neither KAAO or KBEC could be mistaken for KIAB. So it appears that the pilot simply neglected to fly the approach he was cleared to fly, and instead flew what was essentially a visual approach. Unhappily for him, there are two airports with the same runway alignment along the final approach course. To make matters worse, he failed to have the situational awareness to understand that he was 7 miles short of the correct airport.
:ok:

Avgas172 23rd Nov 2013 23:43

Yes Dart, a chicken farm in Surrey could be a better career choice after this. :{

CharlieCharlie78 24th Nov 2013 06:38

They should have turned left at Albuquerque!!! :D

mattyj 29th Nov 2013 21:14

Surely it was a two pilot op..!? The CVR would probably show that they decided to discontinue the approach and continue visually with rwy lights in sight somewhere prior to the fix..after that its a visual illusion/confusion issue at night..also maybe didn't properly brief the other airfields in the area..?

rutan around 30th Nov 2013 00:33

After this sort of mistake are pilots in the US invited up to the FAA offices for tea and bikkies with a reminder to bring a large jar of vaseline ?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif

Jack Ranga 30th Nov 2013 00:42

What I'd like to know, if it happened in Australia, would it be a strict liability offence, prosecuted, lose your flying privileges, pay a large fine & find yourself looking at time in the big house?

Wally Mk2 30th Nov 2013 01:32

...............that depends 'JR' on whom you know, remember CASA are made up of friends of friends, mates of mates in the industry, like all things in life humans are notorious for looking the other way when it's necessary.

The eyes are very powerful information devices & will override all other sensors going to the brains CPU. The drivers 'saw' what they wanted to see, all other info was then disregarded & the focus was to land......land Mavrick you are instructed to land..........-)

Wmk2

mattyj 30th Nov 2013 09:44

IIRC a couple of crews have tried to land on the Bruce Highway/Nebo Rd in Mackay over the years..!?

jdeakin 3rd Dec 2013 13:58

In the USA, punishment will be up the Chief Pilot, with possible unofficial input from the FAA. More often than not, it will be a few weeks on the beach, and then a return to duty with nothing further.

If the CP is a real horse's rear, it will be termination, but I've only heard of that once, in the case of NorthWest Airlines landing in Brussels instead of Frankfurt.

It's a classic, even an easy mistake, done many times before, like the gear-up landing.

I've had the pleasure of saying, a few times in my life, "Weren't you the one that said you'd never ever make that mistake?"

Sarcs 3rd Dec 2013 21:33

While you were sleeping....zzzzz!!
 
Errr..slight thread drift hope you don't mind Avgas172:confused: but you gave me an idea from this comment:

For those of you (like me) that don't normally wander far from GA dunnunda this thread in the heavy metal section is good reading ...
So to add to this international story of interest I propose to link GA dunnunda to the rest of the world, kind of like Rumours & News forum..anyway here goes..:rolleyes:

WWW reg ructions & pollie peddling:

Comment: This is refreshing proactive aviation legislation/regulation...:D:D

Follow-Up: Small Airplane Revitalization Act Becomes Law

“Streamlining the certification process for general aviation manufacturers, while preserving important safety requirements, will lead to swifter adoption of new aircraft designs and vital safety equipment, benefiting everyone from pilots and their passengers to manufacturers," said NBAA president and CEO Ed Bolen. "NBAA and its Member Companies are very thankful to Congressman Pompeo for his leadership on this legislation, and we appreciate the bipartisan coalition in the House and Senate who joined him in supporting the bill.”

Comment: FAA "not happy Jan..your pinged!"
FAA proposes $325,000 civil penalty against Southwest Airlines

WWW Airports & Airspace:

Comment: White Xmas traffic probs for aviating ski bunnys

Winter Holidays Colorado – Special Traffic Management Program

WWW AAI:


Two reported dead IBC Airways Metro III (N831BC) accident in Puerto Rico

Investigation Underway In Namibian Airliner Accident

Entry into instrument meteorological conditions led to fatal June 2012

Report: bounced landing of ATR-72 in crosswind conditions; captain not qualified to use more favorable runway

Top-phot link:

Gorgeous Gripen


Saab has chosen this image taken by Mirco Knecht as the winner of its latest Gripen photo competition. The picture, taken during the practice days for the Axalp 2013 event, will now feature in the airframer’s 2014 calendar.
Pooh tube vids:

Comment: "Are you alright??:rolleyes:"

[YOUTUBE]

On that note..back to the thread..:ok:


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