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Jack Ranga 28th Mar 2013 03:44

If you do your research there is an avionics mob on the Gold Coast that are Platinum Garmin dealers. They will match Spruce prices on most stuff :ok: They are great people to deal with.

Doubt whether going overseas for a Garmin re-fit would be cheaper, might be for other brands?

The cost of 'doing business' in Australia is the killer. It is now recognised as the highest cost country to do business with in the world. That's something for you labor accolytes to be proud of (NOT).

rutan around 28th Mar 2013 03:53

So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that !

Wally Mk2 28th Mar 2013 04:18

I think what 'JR' said sums it all up re GA & the cost of doing business here in Oz, also it's fairly obvious about the other subject creeping in here, the current Govt, little else needs to be said about that lot other than they are self destructing, just as well they deserve no less!:ugh:

Wmk2

Jack Ranga 28th Mar 2013 05:02

Yeah, rutan, matter of fact it was :ok:

Arnold E 28th Mar 2013 09:25


So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that !
Me too, I bought a tail dragger kit for my 150 in 2003 and it cost me $12000, can get the same kit today for 7 and a half.

Socket 28th Mar 2013 09:38

Leadslead, yet again spouting doom and gloom and making statements with nothing to back it up. How about providing quotes ( like evidence) to support your claims.

T28D 28th Mar 2013 10:06

So what isisabout exchange rates you don't understand ?? Howard years really bad exchange rateAUD/USD

Today we areat parity hence the difference, should you take the timeto do the calculationsto bring both amountsinto constant purchasing power dollars I venture to suggest the Howard years were cheaper relatively.

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Me too, I bought a tail dragger kit for my 150 in 2003 and it cost me $12000, can get the same kit today for 7 and a half.

Avgas172 28th Mar 2013 10:55


Whats best - spend some money to maintain employment
Thats gotta be the biggest crock of ****e that I have ever heard, where were you during the insulation debacle, the 'education facilities upgrade' and the handout to lots of non workers to buy imported goods .... come on man open your eyes .... end of political rant, no further corrospondence entered into. :ugh:

LeadSled 28th Mar 2013 11:03


What a load of bollocks, each install job is an individual and depends on the start and finish points. The cost of the equipment here in Oz is still cheaper than flying to the US.
:ugh:

Folks,
There must be some dumb people around the industry, Arnold, the owners of two specific examples I have in mind (hence the reference to the Kingair and the Garmin 600 into a light twin) were people in the industry in NSW, not private or corporate owners. People who know the costs to the last fraction of a razoo.

Is that what is wrong with the industry, Arnold, long time industry professionals can't figure out the end prices in US, NZ or Australia, and go and spend more offshore.

I guess that's why we send so much small turbine work to NZ, so we can pay those lovely New Zealanders more money, compared to doing the job in AU.

Or, perhaps, you have got it wrong.

Tootle pip!!

PS: Socket, you can fulminate all you like, but I will not be posting information on this site to identify individual aircraft. If you don't want to believe it, tough, keep you head buried in the sand.

Arnold E 28th Mar 2013 11:09


Or, perhaps, you have got it wrong.
No, don't think so, we have had some quite happy customers with installs we have done.

MakeItHappenCaptain 29th Mar 2013 09:36


those long going nowhere Howard years.
Personally, I liked my federal budgets in surplus, not being wasted on insulation programs that electrocuted a couple of sparkies (gee, wasn't beds that were burning there, Mr Garrett. Went quiet after that, didn't you?), unnecessary building progams that did little more than line builders' pockets and encouraging Sri Lankan and Afghan maritime expeditions.


"And farmers all across the land, mightn't have water but they'll have broadband."
Fat arsed, earlobe dragging, lying, backstabbing, commie, athiest...:mad:

Drift out...

T28D 29th Mar 2013 12:22

OK in surplus because of the currency differential, and a difficult lending environment which curtailed capital linvestment.

Austalia was ( and still is ) a great place to live , provided you didn't travel and or had the need to buy goods externally.

I had the experience of wrestling with the cr*p AUD whilst trying to run a business in Australia through the Howard years, fe*king hardwork I can assure you.

Are we in a better place, answer is no, because we have internal wages break out, yup the exchange rate is good, the internal costs are rubbish, the whole thing is destined for the dificulties we saw in 1987 cost of funds high compared to the world, real productivity low, actual productivity questionable, pockets of good news ( flat screen TV is cheap ) aviation held in a timewarp by bad regulation and cowboys inflating egotistical pricing.

thorn bird 29th Mar 2013 13:12

New word in the dictionary to describe a system of government.
Fits OZ very well I think.

INEPTOCRACY
(in-ep-toc-ra-cy)
A system of government where the least capable
to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to
sustain themselves, or succeed, are rewarded with
goods and services paid for by the confiscated
wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Andy_RR 29th Mar 2013 23:35


Originally Posted by rutan around (Post 7764768)
So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that !

it would be a whole lot more expensive today if Julia and Wayne had the national credit card declined...

MakeItHappenCaptain 30th Mar 2013 11:54

Must be easy to be given a 20 billion dollar cresit card and blow it all on crap insulation, a summer garage for the car (ie. a building you don't need) and feeding and clothing every other needy person in the world apart from our own pensioners and then claim to the world that you're the world's best.:yuk:

If you are the best, then let's see you go to the next election with a financial situation better than what QLD Labor left right before the last election, where after the biggest landslide loss ever, Blight resigned immediately, causing another by-election and fcuked off out of the state with her new bumped up super fund.:mad:

Wonder if Juliar's got a one way back to Wales booked yet?:confused:

triathlon 30th Mar 2013 21:08

What does Jullia Gillard and Ronald McDonald have in common?

Answer: They're both red headed clowns!


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