Same Old Same Old - How do we change it??
Folks,
All of the above is well worth a read, particularly given the last few months here in Oz. Tootle pip!! |
* Make an APS course mandatory.
* Go back to RPPL & PPL. * Make spin training mandatory. * Encourage aerobatic training as part of PPL syllabus. * Come to grips with GPS, you can't fool the young whippersnappers, the training industry has got to come to grips with it yet still give the whippersnappers a good working knowledge of DR. * Address the appalling average age of the GA fleet. For a first world country it's a disgrace that this infrastructure is in the state it's in. * Scrap CASA & ATSB, start again. Get rid of the OLC & make the promotion of aviation part of both their charter. That's how :ok: |
Yup Jack pretty much on the money. If the industry is to survive it has to get out from under the regulatory load. Its two thirds cheaper to operate the same aircraft in the US, and their regulator is looking for further ways to reduce costs to the industry by making it cheaper to certify aircraft and other initiatives to make it cheaper to own and operate a certified aircraft. All our lot can do is write ever more burdensome claptrap that serves no useful purpose but to drive up costs. Same thing happened in the UK, a hell of a lot of private aircraft there now operate on foreign registers.
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What Jack said!!!
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Here, here Jack!
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I reckon we all chip in and buy Jack a 1 way ticket to Canberra, whether he wants it or not.
And then take over from the Julia wench. Jack for PM :ok: |
Jack,
For once I agree with most of what you have said, with the exception of the matter of fleet age. We have absolutely no record of accidents to show that fleet age, or structural adequacy is an issue. Tootle pip!! |
Dr:
I'm sorry to advise it's a bit worse than that... 165 Billion is JUST for Gillard's term since her little coup d'état. NET Labor Debt is approaching the 300 Billion limit set by Parliment. Swanny may need to lift that limit this budget. Nice moves considering Johnny and Pete left Labor a nice little surplus in '07.... |
Aust debt 10% GDP
US & Europe 80% GDP Average rest 50% GDP So RICH fine green your problem is ????????? |
I love Labor parrots.
So, you REALLY want Australia to be facing the problems the US and Greece/some of the EU are facing? I'd rather not have to deal with that sort of incompetence. |
I love Labor parrots------ The pot calling the kettle black I think. Whats best - spend some money to maintain employment and end up with an economy that's the envy of the world or do a Newman- sack thousands , employ a bunch of dodgy mates and watch the economy plummet.
Back on thread. I fully agree with LeadSled. There is no evidence that age is a problem with properly maintained aircraft. In my opinion some of the older machines are slowly being replaced with less efficient and less useful ones.eg the Cessna 210-Can anything beat it on a balanced basket of abilities? |
Lead, regarding fleet age, it's more the avionics, the cost of upgrading etc.
I forgot to add to the CASA & ATSB bizzo. Remove, NOW, the political appointments & put aviation people in there. The ATSB was a disgrace during the Pelair ditching, an embarrassment clearly out of his depth. I can't go to Canberra yet, got a bit of stuff on ;) |
So, as I understand it, Jack is pretty much describing how things were in the seventies (except for the GPS bit).
In my experience, the install cost of avioincs in Australia is about twice that of the US. Part of the reason is that not as many guys here have repeat experience with the same equipment / aircraft configurations. But big part of the reason is that CASA just make it more expensive with a raft of red tape that doesn't exist elsewhere. There is also a shortage of Avioins LAME's so the sector is not very competitive. All issues in the domain of CASA if they had any real interest in promoting safety. BTW, I think 3 more NDB's were decommissioned this week and YWE is still not working. ASA is simply not doing its job in providing a properly maintained air navigation infrastructure. Agree with Leadsled. There is an issue of maintenance integrity with some aircraft, but no airframe age issue per se. The vast majority of our private fleet has only done a fraction of its design hours. |
* Make an APS course mandatory. * Go back to RPPL & PPL. * Make spin training mandatory. * Encourage aerobatic training as part of PPL syllabus. * Come to grips with GPS, you can't fool the young whippersnappers, the training industry has got to come to grips with it yet still give the whippersnappers a good working knowledge of DR. * Address the appalling average age of the GA fleet. For a first world country it's a disgrace that this infrastructure is in the state it's in. * Scrap CASA & ATSB, start again. Get rid of the OLC & make the promotion of aviation part of both their charter. That's how The rest of that list is of equal value. POTY Jack.:D |
Aust debt 10% GDP US & Europe 80% GDP Average rest 50% GDP |
---- the install cost of avioincs in Australia is about twice that of the US True in spades, but the reasons are wider and deeper, CASA "regulations" is driving up costs, as have many other present government's regulatory activities. For something like a Kingair, it is substantially cheaper to ferry the aircraft back to US for any but minor upgrades. If you are putting in a full Garmin or Aspen system, or something similar, it is "no contest". Likewise, Singapore produces net costs far better than here. If you are putting something like a Garmin 600 in your light twin, it is cheaper to buy all the bits, have the panel mod. made in the US and fly a techo. down here to fit it, than have it done locally. And the turnaround time will be measured in days, not months. Taking a light single/twin to NZ to do major avionics upgrades is also very viable, compared to doing it here. Tootle pip!! |
If you are putting something like a Garmin 600 in your light twin, it is cheaper to buy all the bits, have the panel mod. made in the US and fly a techo. down here to fit it, than have it done locally. And the turnaround time will be measured in days, not months. |
Agreed with Arnold, and Jack Ranga's recent experience shows the Aussies are competitive. So were mine.
Some shops are slick....others not so. Complete Avionics on the Gold Coast :D |
Arnold E, that was my thoughts, Avionics Shop at $130 an hour, sheet metal work at $95 an hour. Components are at what they cost.
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Avionics Shop at $130 an hour, |
If you do your research there is an avionics mob on the Gold Coast that are Platinum Garmin dealers. They will match Spruce prices on most stuff :ok: They are great people to deal with.
Doubt whether going overseas for a Garmin re-fit would be cheaper, might be for other brands? The cost of 'doing business' in Australia is the killer. It is now recognised as the highest cost country to do business with in the world. That's something for you labor accolytes to be proud of (NOT). |
So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that !
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I think what 'JR' said sums it all up re GA & the cost of doing business here in Oz, also it's fairly obvious about the other subject creeping in here, the current Govt, little else needs to be said about that lot other than they are self destructing, just as well they deserve no less!:ugh:
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Yeah, rutan, matter of fact it was :ok:
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So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that ! |
Leadslead, yet again spouting doom and gloom and making statements with nothing to back it up. How about providing quotes ( like evidence) to support your claims.
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So what isisabout exchange rates you don't understand ?? Howard years really bad exchange rateAUD/USD
Today we areat parity hence the difference, should you take the timeto do the calculationsto bring both amountsinto constant purchasing power dollars I venture to suggest the Howard years were cheaper relatively. Quote Me too, I bought a tail dragger kit for my 150 in 2003 and it cost me $12000, can get the same kit today for 7 and a half. |
Whats best - spend some money to maintain employment |
What a load of bollocks, each install job is an individual and depends on the start and finish points. The cost of the equipment here in Oz is still cheaper than flying to the US. Folks, There must be some dumb people around the industry, Arnold, the owners of two specific examples I have in mind (hence the reference to the Kingair and the Garmin 600 into a light twin) were people in the industry in NSW, not private or corporate owners. People who know the costs to the last fraction of a razoo. Is that what is wrong with the industry, Arnold, long time industry professionals can't figure out the end prices in US, NZ or Australia, and go and spend more offshore. I guess that's why we send so much small turbine work to NZ, so we can pay those lovely New Zealanders more money, compared to doing the job in AU. Or, perhaps, you have got it wrong. Tootle pip!! PS: Socket, you can fulminate all you like, but I will not be posting information on this site to identify individual aircraft. If you don't want to believe it, tough, keep you head buried in the sand. |
Or, perhaps, you have got it wrong. |
those long going nowhere Howard years. "And farmers all across the land, mightn't have water but they'll have broadband." Drift out... |
OK in surplus because of the currency differential, and a difficult lending environment which curtailed capital linvestment.
Austalia was ( and still is ) a great place to live , provided you didn't travel and or had the need to buy goods externally. I had the experience of wrestling with the cr*p AUD whilst trying to run a business in Australia through the Howard years, fe*king hardwork I can assure you. Are we in a better place, answer is no, because we have internal wages break out, yup the exchange rate is good, the internal costs are rubbish, the whole thing is destined for the dificulties we saw in 1987 cost of funds high compared to the world, real productivity low, actual productivity questionable, pockets of good news ( flat screen TV is cheap ) aviation held in a timewarp by bad regulation and cowboys inflating egotistical pricing. |
New word in the dictionary to describe a system of government.
Fits OZ very well I think. INEPTOCRACY (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves, or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
Originally Posted by rutan around
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So Jack it was a whole lot cheaper during those long going nowhere Howard years.I must have missed that !
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Must be easy to be given a 20 billion dollar cresit card and blow it all on crap insulation, a summer garage for the car (ie. a building you don't need) and feeding and clothing every other needy person in the world apart from our own pensioners and then claim to the world that you're the world's best.:yuk:
If you are the best, then let's see you go to the next election with a financial situation better than what QLD Labor left right before the last election, where after the biggest landslide loss ever, Blight resigned immediately, causing another by-election and fcuked off out of the state with her new bumped up super fund.:mad: Wonder if Juliar's got a one way back to Wales booked yet?:confused: |
What does Jullia Gillard and Ronald McDonald have in common?
Answer: They're both red headed clowns! |
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