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Horatio Leafblower 6th Jan 2013 23:42

Whoops!
 
plane-makes-emergency-landing-after-losing-wheel

:ooh:

Trojan1981 6th Jan 2013 23:48

Nice one! Hope there is not too much damage and all are ok.

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 00:07

Just been on the ABC TV news. Not sure he's down yet.

VH-XXX 7th Jan 2013 00:52

Lets see if his 120 hours of CPL training have trained him well enough to land on two wheels! As for which wheel is missing could make for an interesting arrival !

We will find out at 1pm :ok:

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 01:04

Should see the photo of assembled press on twitter.

Rotor Work 7th Jan 2013 01:17

Restricted area of 15 miles just placed on Mangalore

Volumex 7th Jan 2013 01:26

Currently the most popular feed on liveatc worldwide.
At the moment there are 175 feeds, and the next highest is 55.

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 01:28

Landed safely

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 01:31

There's about half a million photographers at Mangalore. You'd reckon one would tweet a picture!

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 01:43

Funny. I type t-w-e-e-t and PPRuNE displays!

Rotor Work 7th Jan 2013 01:44

UPDATE: A Student pilot has landed his stricken plane at a regional airport north of Melbourne
The aircraft, missing its back right-hand wheel, came down at Mangalore Airport about 1.20pm.
Fire crews foamed the runway, but the Piper Warrior veered off to the left soon after touching down.
The plane lurched, then came to a sudden stop.:ok:

Elfatness 7th Jan 2013 02:12

Glad to hear he is safe and all ended well! Didn't warriors have this issue once upon a time? Under carriage departure? I've heard a few stories now, including two at my own school many many years ago!

wheels_down 7th Jan 2013 02:13

Anyone got a rego?

Dogimed 7th Jan 2013 02:21

Small aircraft makes emergency landing at Mangalore, north of Melbourne | News.com.au

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http://resources1.news.com.au/images...re-airport.jpg

http://resources2.news.com.au/images...re-airport.jpg

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http://resources2.news.com.au/images...cy-landing.jpg

All photos from above website.
Photo Credit :Nicole Garmston

Horatio Leafblower 7th Jan 2013 02:29

That's the most exciting thing to happen in Mangalore for a while. Good to see all the assembled students had their flouro vests on, we wouldn't want to cause ANOTHER incident, would we? :8

Well done the pilot, looks like it became a total non-event:ok:

Rotor Work 7th Jan 2013 02:29

Well Done Nicole, great photos:ok:

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 02:47

Nice job. I was thinking I might have stuck to the sealed surface to avoid the leg digging in. I thought landing on the grass would trigger a ground loop (which it didn't). But then again, the cost of fixing the sealed surface might be more thank the value of the Warrior.

Some days you just need to remind yourself that a good landing is any landing you walk away from. He's done a text book job. Door cracked open, prop stopped. Wonder who's paying for the flying time to burn fuel? :rolleyes:

Old Akro 7th Jan 2013 02:54

OK. Brain fade.

Critical Reynolds No 7th Jan 2013 03:03

Evertime I see the firies foam something, that is not on fire (yes I know it's a precaution) I hear my old Instructor telling me "Tell them not to foam it. It's not on fire!"

Shagpile 7th Jan 2013 03:07

Good to see him finishing the shutdown checks whilst they are giving him a foam bath !

VH-XXX 7th Jan 2013 03:20

Akro - Spot on! Some nufty must have decided they would be better off landing on the grass. Wrong ! It's well documented that you are better off landing on bitumen, particularly given that emergency services were nearby.

If you are going to do a wheels-up, do it on bitumen !

Do you think he would have got the 5 hours flying for nothing (whilst he burnt off fuel) but then put them in his logbook anyway ? :ok:

roger_hujin 7th Jan 2013 03:38

where can I find the atc communication recording on internet?
 
I tried liveatc.net but it seems have no feed from YMNG at all.

Rotor Work 7th Jan 2013 04:14

Just viewed the footage on ABC 24, Shows him landing on the bitumen:D
Before heading for the grass

Homesick-Angel 7th Jan 2013 05:21

Here are some details that I have on very good authority.

1- fixed gear AC missing RH main wheel! Not a gear up.

2- decision made to burn fuel overhead and buy time while services etc were notified and decisions were made as to how to direct the pilot.

3- The pilot performed exceptionally well and remained calm throughout. Well done that man!

4- The landing was as good as you could hope for, started on the CL, but AC yawed left and ended up on the grass.

MakeItHappenCaptain 7th Jan 2013 05:54

OK, next question...

Where's the wheel and why?:confused:

PoppaJo 7th Jan 2013 06:12


VH-XXX 7th Jan 2013 06:48

Makeithappen - that's not the really pressing question. What we are all wanting to know is what would Planky think about how he stalled it on...

It didn't behave entirely as I was expecting on the landing in the latter parts.

gassed budgie 7th Jan 2013 06:54


OK, next question...

Where's the wheel and why?
If ever you go to buy a Cherokee one area that you should look at are the torque links on the main gear for cracks, wear etc.. If they fail you can loose the oleo/wheel assembly. In the footage you can see the links (or what's left of them) and the brake line flapping in the breeze.
A question for the maintenance department no doubt.

Desert Flower 7th Jan 2013 07:02


He's done a text book job. Door cracked open, prop stopped.
Door was cracked open before touchdown, prop was still rotating as he came to a stop.

DF.

Lasiorhinus 7th Jan 2013 07:20

Doubt he'd be paying for it anyway, being a China Southern cadet.

Ultralights 7th Jan 2013 07:21

Great job in getting back safely. Not sure about orbiting for 5 hrs to burn fuel. Good discussion point.

Avgas172 7th Jan 2013 07:51

Ahhhhh yes grasshopper a good bicycle landing ...... :E

MakeItHappenCaptain 7th Jan 2013 09:14


VH-XXX
It didn't behave entirely as I was expecting on the landing in the latter parts.
Did just what it should when you use the brakes.:E

Whether the actions were intentional or not (and this is in no way a commentary on their correctness or otherwise), glad to see him walk away.:ok:

Bet those torque links will be a much better observed part of his pre-flight from now on.

LeadSled 7th Jan 2013 09:52


If ever you go to buy a Cherokee one area that you should look at are the torque links on the main gear for cracks, wear etc.. If they fail you can loose the oleo/wheel assembly. In the footage you can see the links (or what's left of them) and the brake line flapping in the breeze.
Mostly caused by over inflation with nitrogen, and not replacing the leaked hydraulic fluid. On a preflight, you would hard pressed to see any crack with the naked eye, given the usual amount of dust and dirt in the area.

Tootle pip!!

FRQ Charlie Bravo 7th Jan 2013 11:22


Evertime I see the firies foam something, that is not on fire (yes I know it's a precaution) I hear my old Instructor telling me "Tell them not to foam it. It's not on fire!"
Kind of not your problem really - safety before economy. At that point the aeroplane belongs to the insurance company so don't worry about saving aerials, not FODing the static ports, saving the bulk strip on the engine, getting the props horizontal etc. Follow the checklist and get the bastard on the ground in the safest configuration possible.

I have to say that I'm very impressed with the way the pilot handled that. I would be interested to know if he had a Retrac endo or training.

He is a credit to his instructors.

FRQ CB

T28D 7th Jan 2013 11:24

But and it is a big BUT , the boy got it home and without even a bandaid on his person.

At 120 hours total experience he has had the lesson of a lifetime, he survived by exercising GOOD AIRMANSHIP well done.

And the aircraft is only a bit broken GOLD

Clare Prop 7th Jan 2013 13:06

How did he know the wheel was missing?

Reminds me of the story of the Grob nosewheel that was found on a beach in WA, the CSWAFC stude was supposed to be going somewhere in the wheatbelt...allegedly....this was a loong time ago :cool::cool:

Anyway interesting decision to fly around for five hours in an aircraft with an endurance of...five hours....

Good ol' JXR hopefully will live to fly another day!

Up-into-the-air 7th Jan 2013 19:14

EEEnglish???
 
The following is the regional ten news item, from which I highlight part:

Trainee pilot safely lands Piper Warrior with missing wheel at Mangalore Airport | News.com.au


He was said to be in good spirits and calm while emergency crews talked to him by two-way radio during the ordeal.
The pilot speaks English as a second language and a fellow student and his instructor at times spoke in his native language during the drama to avoid confusion.
Emergency crews knew a crash landing was likely, heightening concerns it could spark a fire at the dry and dusty aerodrome.


Read more: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun
Not quite what the local news broadcast said, but it reminds us the need for 100% english knowledge in the air.

Checkboard 7th Jan 2013 19:24

It does? In what way was was his English a problem?

forever flying 7th Jan 2013 23:21

A great job by the pilot, but 5 hours burning fuel? In a Warrior? :ugh:


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