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VH-XXX 7th Jan 2013 03:20

Akro - Spot on! Some nufty must have decided they would be better off landing on the grass. Wrong ! It's well documented that you are better off landing on bitumen, particularly given that emergency services were nearby.

If you are going to do a wheels-up, do it on bitumen !

Do you think he would have got the 5 hours flying for nothing (whilst he burnt off fuel) but then put them in his logbook anyway ? :ok:

roger_hujin 7th Jan 2013 03:38

where can I find the atc communication recording on internet?
 
I tried liveatc.net but it seems have no feed from YMNG at all.

Rotor Work 7th Jan 2013 04:14

Just viewed the footage on ABC 24, Shows him landing on the bitumen:D
Before heading for the grass

Homesick-Angel 7th Jan 2013 05:21

Here are some details that I have on very good authority.

1- fixed gear AC missing RH main wheel! Not a gear up.

2- decision made to burn fuel overhead and buy time while services etc were notified and decisions were made as to how to direct the pilot.

3- The pilot performed exceptionally well and remained calm throughout. Well done that man!

4- The landing was as good as you could hope for, started on the CL, but AC yawed left and ended up on the grass.

MakeItHappenCaptain 7th Jan 2013 05:54

OK, next question...

Where's the wheel and why?:confused:

PoppaJo 7th Jan 2013 06:12


VH-XXX 7th Jan 2013 06:48

Makeithappen - that's not the really pressing question. What we are all wanting to know is what would Planky think about how he stalled it on...

It didn't behave entirely as I was expecting on the landing in the latter parts.

gassed budgie 7th Jan 2013 06:54


OK, next question...

Where's the wheel and why?
If ever you go to buy a Cherokee one area that you should look at are the torque links on the main gear for cracks, wear etc.. If they fail you can loose the oleo/wheel assembly. In the footage you can see the links (or what's left of them) and the brake line flapping in the breeze.
A question for the maintenance department no doubt.

Desert Flower 7th Jan 2013 07:02


He's done a text book job. Door cracked open, prop stopped.
Door was cracked open before touchdown, prop was still rotating as he came to a stop.

DF.

Lasiorhinus 7th Jan 2013 07:20

Doubt he'd be paying for it anyway, being a China Southern cadet.

Ultralights 7th Jan 2013 07:21

Great job in getting back safely. Not sure about orbiting for 5 hrs to burn fuel. Good discussion point.

Avgas172 7th Jan 2013 07:51

Ahhhhh yes grasshopper a good bicycle landing ...... :E

MakeItHappenCaptain 7th Jan 2013 09:14


VH-XXX
It didn't behave entirely as I was expecting on the landing in the latter parts.
Did just what it should when you use the brakes.:E

Whether the actions were intentional or not (and this is in no way a commentary on their correctness or otherwise), glad to see him walk away.:ok:

Bet those torque links will be a much better observed part of his pre-flight from now on.

LeadSled 7th Jan 2013 09:52


If ever you go to buy a Cherokee one area that you should look at are the torque links on the main gear for cracks, wear etc.. If they fail you can loose the oleo/wheel assembly. In the footage you can see the links (or what's left of them) and the brake line flapping in the breeze.
Mostly caused by over inflation with nitrogen, and not replacing the leaked hydraulic fluid. On a preflight, you would hard pressed to see any crack with the naked eye, given the usual amount of dust and dirt in the area.

Tootle pip!!

FRQ Charlie Bravo 7th Jan 2013 11:22


Evertime I see the firies foam something, that is not on fire (yes I know it's a precaution) I hear my old Instructor telling me "Tell them not to foam it. It's not on fire!"
Kind of not your problem really - safety before economy. At that point the aeroplane belongs to the insurance company so don't worry about saving aerials, not FODing the static ports, saving the bulk strip on the engine, getting the props horizontal etc. Follow the checklist and get the bastard on the ground in the safest configuration possible.

I have to say that I'm very impressed with the way the pilot handled that. I would be interested to know if he had a Retrac endo or training.

He is a credit to his instructors.

FRQ CB

T28D 7th Jan 2013 11:24

But and it is a big BUT , the boy got it home and without even a bandaid on his person.

At 120 hours total experience he has had the lesson of a lifetime, he survived by exercising GOOD AIRMANSHIP well done.

And the aircraft is only a bit broken GOLD

Clare Prop 7th Jan 2013 13:06

How did he know the wheel was missing?

Reminds me of the story of the Grob nosewheel that was found on a beach in WA, the CSWAFC stude was supposed to be going somewhere in the wheatbelt...allegedly....this was a loong time ago :cool::cool:

Anyway interesting decision to fly around for five hours in an aircraft with an endurance of...five hours....

Good ol' JXR hopefully will live to fly another day!

Up-into-the-air 7th Jan 2013 19:14

EEEnglish???
 
The following is the regional ten news item, from which I highlight part:

Trainee pilot safely lands Piper Warrior with missing wheel at Mangalore Airport | News.com.au


He was said to be in good spirits and calm while emergency crews talked to him by two-way radio during the ordeal.
The pilot speaks English as a second language and a fellow student and his instructor at times spoke in his native language during the drama to avoid confusion.
Emergency crews knew a crash landing was likely, heightening concerns it could spark a fire at the dry and dusty aerodrome.


Read more: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun
Not quite what the local news broadcast said, but it reminds us the need for 100% english knowledge in the air.

Checkboard 7th Jan 2013 19:24

It does? In what way was was his English a problem?

forever flying 7th Jan 2013 23:21

A great job by the pilot, but 5 hours burning fuel? In a Warrior? :ugh:


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