Thanks, morno. Over-the-top therefore not an option :(

Hey rotor, hw about I introduce you to Dora one day, he might even take us both for a lap in his glorious Chippy, and then you two can thrash it out. :ok:

Nasty point to raise but trapped in valley IMC above or similar, fuel short etc. Choices are:

A - Land and that may be pick a gap between trees in small space and walk (crawl) from the wreck.

B - Mix VFR and IFR

How much does the flying machine count? Will a rental or something you have years building or rebuilding (maybe historically significant) influence the A/B decision

Memorial Service today at 2 pm for the six victims at Minippi Parklands, Stanton Road West, Tingalpa.

This is the field from which Des' father operated his Dragons.

BNE ATC have vetoed the proposed Vintage Flypast - given the location this is not entirely unsurprising I guess.

Memorial Service
 

I only ever spoke to Des briefly, but it is evident from the posts on this thread and the way he kept that aircraft so beautifully maintained and was so willing to share his passion that he was a generous soul. I would ask if there is any request from the families in relation to donations in lieu of flowers etc. etc. to a charity of their choice. I haven't seen any notices other than the memorial service at Tingalpa.

Well if there's anything over at Caboolture at tome time give us some forwarning. I'd like to pay my respects.

I'd like to echo the 'relics statement/request.
I would like to pass on my respect & condolences from me & everyone at BN centre.

A massive crowd at the memorial service today

The flypast would have been cancelled anyway because of the very high winds

RIP all.

Indeed there was. Grief is a very personal business, so I was surprised/overwhelmed by the numbers attending. The six touched many lives...

I'm informed that ATC relented around 12:30, far too late to organize the flypast, but it was too windy anyway.

Yes it's still there...
 

...she was weighed today

http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/4037267...0%20Prelim.pdf

ATSB PRELIMINARY REPORT RELEASED TODAY
Fly Safe
RW

Thanks RW - geez that makes for chilling reading, Morno and others probably had some appreciation of how long it went on for, but I had the impression it had gone pearshaped fairly quickly and then all over.....

Poor blighters. If anything a lesson in trusting what your eyes are telling you rather than hoping that the earlier, more benign forecast was accurate.

That report is rather hair raising.

What is surprising is he flew in IMC for a lot longer than 178 seconds. A remarkable effort that could well have resulted in a safe out come had they been able to fly west a bit and let down.

So close yet so far. :sad:

What is frustrating is how many times that we read in these ATSB reports that the last time the pilot flew on instruments was when they gained their PPL many years ago. Very very frustrating when it's so easy to pop under the hood for a lengthy period during your AFR or similar.

I have often wondered who thought it was a good idea to reduce the amount of IF required for a PPL from 5 hrs to 3 hrs?

Dr :8

Might not make too much difference if the last time you did any was 1998?

Or just a few ILSs on MS flight sim from time to time - even better if your school has synthetic trainer or sim... much cheaper than in a plane and it all helps.

15 mins at each BFR under the hood, holding headings climbing turns.......

There is always the thought that it only encourages folk to push on more thinking they can.

Double edged sword.

Isn't it 2 hours now Dr., down from 5?? Even worse....

Back in the old days when I did my PPL (1973), you required 3 hrs IF prior to taking the Restricted PPL test, and a further 2 hrs (done under the guise of "Nav 5") as one of the seven navs required for lifting the restriction on the RPPL to give you your Unrestricted PPL.

Dr :8

Isn't that why the PIFR was introduced so that PPL's could get an instrument rating that wasn't going to be expensive or currency dependent?

When I was an instructor and I got to this part of the syllabus the first thing I did was make the student close his/her eyes and fly the plane. When it invariably started to wind itself up into a spiral dive I would ask them to open their eyes. The resultant gasp and "jump" as they saw the picture out the window was hopefully enough to make them realise that the 3 hours they were about to do would not be enough to keep them alive if they did get into cloud.