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ChaseIt 21st Jun 2011 16:27

haha love the vids guys! i dont have any like that :E:E the difference is there is no rego's shown etc on yours instead of every man and his dog seeing it on national tv ha

djpil 21st Jun 2011 21:09

A lot in this series.

Jabawocky 21st Jun 2011 21:28

No doubt the girls were dubbed in coz there is no way u could fit them all in the Aerobat:E

Dangly Bits 22nd Jun 2011 13:05

What an idiot (Criminal). He had no right whatsoever to put his passengers lives at risk just so he can show off.

I hope you have been expunged from the industry.

DB

NCD 23rd Jun 2011 09:37


The ground prox audio warning was not ownly ignored but was not reported to the relevant authorities!
In VMC a ground prox warning needs to be reported?

Sarcs 23rd Jun 2011 11:29

I suppose you could tick the box in the test flight report that the "GPWS works well" and in the comments section you could put "pax enjoyed the flight, especially the bit through the Kakadu gorges at 100-200' and 250kts, apparently he got some really good video footage while he was moving around the cabin".:D

cheers

VH-XXX 23rd Jun 2011 13:01

So someone must know who this is? It was on 12-3-2007 at 1770 / Agnes Waters... hopefully the wings are still on that aircraft safely.

Is he commercial, is he an instructor? Passenger manipulating the controls, rapid and near full control deflection by the passenger, lands on the beach and swaps over passengers, numerous aerobatics including inverted flight.

All in a 172, WITH 4 POB... Dumb, not to mention illegal.

Low level through a gorge is one thing, but this is something else.


http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-2.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-3.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-4.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-6.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/1770-7.jpg

The Green Goblin 23rd Jun 2011 13:38

Someones going to jail!

Hell hath no fury like the CASAs scorn :ouch:

Sunfish 23rd Jun 2011 22:39

Google gives you the name in about Two seconds.

Could CASA please have this stupidity stopped? We do not need Three more dead European backpackers.

At full aft CG this stuff is not very wise.

Sarcs 23rd Jun 2011 23:10

How stupid is he??? Have to agree the footage is very damning!!:=

Like all things in life it is the minority that give the rest of us a bad name. Idiots that are represented in this thread, so far, should be found, prosecuted and expunged from the industry!


In VMC a ground prox warning needs to be reported?
Can't seem to find where there is any reference to whether the aircraft is in VMC or not. However this is the general principle used across various regulatory and safety authorities:


Reporting of TAWS/GPWS ‘PULL UP’ Warnings
All flight crew who receive a ‘PULL UP’ warning should raise an Air Safety Report (ASR) detailing all known circumstances. ATCOs who become aware of such occurrences should do likewise and their organisation should then advise the Operator. Aircraft Operators with a flight data monitoring programme should have an automatic alerting system for any recording which contains such an occurrence, and this should support an investigation already initiated by receipt of an ASR or prompt the commencement of a new investigation.
Also bare in mind that this individual has been known to turn the same aircraft (in post #7) inside of the Berkeley/King George river gorges, sometimes directly in front of the King George falls. See link:
http://www.australiantraveller.com/i...d/duncon01.jpg

NCD 24th Jun 2011 07:41

Sarcs

I note your reply, but a "general principle" is not legislation, and your quoted paragraph is unreferenced.

Your quote uses "SHOULD" rather than definitive terms such as SHALL" or "MUST".

A TAW/GPS warning in VFR conditions will be be treated quite differently in a practical sense than one received in IMC. Perhaps this difference may be reflected in the company manuals.

Not here to defend anybody, just can't see a blanket IFR/VFR rule.

Open to correction though.

Cheers

strutless 24th Jun 2011 08:53

Are ALL airports and ALA's in a terrain awareness system in such an aircraft? Surely a SAR would have terrain awareness alerts popping up regularly, particularly at non standard and un-licenced aerodromes.

Dangly Bits 24th Jun 2011 09:57

XXX,
I understand that CASA got the clown in the C-172 on a number of counts including operating without an AOC doing Joy Flights. It was based on the YouTube Vomit Comet footage from the same guy. I hope this isn't a different person to that one.

Dacman767 24th Jun 2011 10:34

Where do you find out about CASA getting people? do they publish it? or is it pretty much word of mouth?

Sarcs 24th Jun 2011 11:07

NCD I totally agree with your sentiments, i.e. the IMC/VMC and practical reasons for not reporting a day VMC EGPWS event.

I came across this ATSB info paper:http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/27543/gpws.pdf But it is more in reference to the previous GPWS not EGPWS and also only refers to main airport activation. However the paper does indicate that reports were made regardless of in-flight conditions!

Also bare in mind that the operator in question has a CASA approval for low-level ops. Part of this approval includes Low Level SOPs and checklists. One of the checklist items prior to operating low level is to activate the EGPWS audio inhibit switch (switch is a supp item particular to the operator). This stops all EGPWS audio annunciations etc while the aircraft is operating low level.

cheers

ForkTailedDrKiller 24th Jun 2011 11:13


All flight crew who receive a ‘PULL UP’ warning should raise an Air Safety Report (ASR) detailing all known circumstances.
Oh dear, Helga, the terrain warning voice was raving on about "TERRAIN, PULL UP, PULL UP'" last night as I was going into Townsville. I thought she was just a bit confused.

Dr :8

VH-XXX 24th Jun 2011 11:59

Wotz the name of the annoying chick in Jaba's retard vehicle? She can be quite annoying at times. I used to have an electronic sounding "passenger" yelling STALL STALL at me whenever I landed. Scared the crap out of me the first time!

peterc005 24th Jun 2011 12:34

Looks like the joy flight guy forgot to latch his door as well. Check the early part of the video (1:04 min). So much for "hatches and harnesses".

Good point though. Throwing a full plane, which is likely to be close to it's aft CoG limits, around in aerobatic maneuvers at a low altitude.

Sarcs 25th Jun 2011 09:22


CASA will begin its investigation on Wednesday when an injunction preventing the authority from examining the DVDs expires.
So what happened on Wednesday? Anything heard?

Or is this another investigation that is going to be caught up in the bureaucratic morass and subsequently lost while someone in CASA finds a nice little bonus deposited in his bank account!

Sarcs 28th Jun 2011 23:47

So is there anymore to this story, or is it as described above?

I really feel for the poor buggers on the coalface whose job it is to investigate these cases. Not only do they have to produce the perfect prosecutable case, they also have to navigate the politics, cronyism, corruption that their superiors have in place.

What happened to the good old days where you 'suspended the culprit pending further investigation'?:ugh: When will CASA realise there is no such thing as the 'perfect case'? CASA heavies should grow some 'cohuna's' instead of severely hampering their underlings!

Still waiting for the "CRUNCH!!"


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