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Case Sensitive 27th Jul 2010 10:33

Electronic Logbooks (Downloadable!)
 
I have just done a search through DG and P General Aviation forums and found a lot of dead links to excel files that various people have uploaded from time to time.......I am looking for a good electronic logbook that is preferably geared towards aussie flyers.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Capt Claret 27th Jul 2010 13:01

Make sure you have a Mac and get Log Ten Pro from Coradine.

XX-ANY 27th Jul 2010 13:15



Requirement to hold a log book
  • A pilot must keep a personal log book [Civil Aviation Regulation (CAR) 5.51]
    • A log book consists of a number of pages permanently bound together in such a way that pages may not be replaced or removed;
    • An electronic record is not acceptable as a log book, however, a computer printout bound together in the form of a log book and maintained up to date is acceptable;
  • All manual entries to the log book must be made in permanent ink;
  • This log book is to be produced to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) when requested;
  • Falsification of a log book is a criminal offence;
  • There is no regulatory requirement to carry a personal log book on a flight.

The Bunglerat 27th Jul 2010 13:28

I'll second Log Ten Pro. Been using it for over a year now on both iMac & iPhone, & very happy with it.

neville_nobody 27th Jul 2010 14:10

It was called logbook 2002 & Duties V3.7. That was an awesome backup to your paper logbook and also did flight and duties. However it doesn't work on the newer versions of excel.:{

das Uber Soldat 27th Jul 2010 14:41

My latest version.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I3QV5ULO

Password to unlock pages if necessary is 'pprune'.

Make sure you enter a month in the month column of the logbook or some features wont work.

Rhodesia77 27th Jul 2010 20:23

LogTen Pro
 
I'll have to 3rd LogTen it is a very cool bit of kit with reports that can be printed that are carbon copies of the real deal Log Book which ever country your from or heading to.:ok::D

There's also a free trial available at Coradine Aviation Systems LogTen Pro Mac

Rhode

training wheels 27th Jul 2010 23:42


Originally Posted by Rhodesia77 (Post 5833438)
There's also a free trial available at Coradine Aviation Systems LogTen Pro Mac

Do they have a version for Windows?

compressor stall 28th Jul 2010 00:30

I'll third the recommendation for Coradine's logbook.

At the end of your flight, enter the times, pilot details, approaches etc from MCDU straight into the iPhone app then once in a while, sync this to the mac and all is updated! IT automatically calculates night as well, although this seems to go a bit awry below 60°S :}

It's also great for the usual audits that seem to want a breakdown of your time by some weird criteria that only auditors seem to think relevant.

Rhodesia77 28th Jul 2010 00:56

From the Coradine web site
 
It look's like you'll just have to invest in the best computer to get the best software, it could be worse TW.:}



Philosophically…

We seriously considered developing a Windows version, but ultimately decided it is more important to do what we love. Because of this passion, we can focus on delivering excellence, with pride, rather than simply doing something for the money. Personally, I have spent 15 years developing software for the Mac, and there is a reason: unparalleled user experience. Developing LogTen Pro for Windows would mean a complete rewrite of the application, taking time and resources away from our primary goal of providing the best possible experience for all of our users, current and future. While I understand that bringing LogTen Pro to Windows could dramatically increase revenue, the cost to the quality of our products, the ability to provide excellent service, the love of our jobs, and the pride we take would ultimately outweigh the monetary gain.:D

training wheels 28th Jul 2010 03:54


Originally Posted by Rhodesia77 (Post 5833821)
It look's like you'll just have to invest in the best computer to get the best software, it could be worse TW.:}



Philosophically…

We seriously considered developing a Windows version, but ultimately decided it is more important to do what we love. Because of this passion, we can focus on delivering excellence, with pride, rather than simply doing something for the money. Personally, I have spent 15 years developing software for the Mac, and there is a reason: unparalleled user experience. Developing LogTen Pro for Windows would mean a complete rewrite of the application, taking time and resources away from our primary goal of providing the best possible experience for all of our users, current and future. While I understand that bringing LogTen Pro to Windows could dramatically increase revenue, the cost to the quality of our products, the ability to provide excellent service, the love of our jobs, and the pride we take would ultimately outweigh the monetary gain.:D

I guess that's a "No".. ;) .. no worries, gives me a good reason to get an iPhone or iPad now. :)

Massey058 28th Jul 2010 05:17

5 years ago now I got a copy of the excel logbook created by Lasiorhinus. Over time I have modified it a bit and included formulas for hours flown in 7, 30, 90, 365 days.

I haven't got very far on setting up the print settings so that it shows a running total of all the hours for each printable page but when I do print it I just print a new copy of the front as well. However it does the trick and having converted it to *.xlsm it is a remarkably small file at 310 kb (Just under 2000 hours worth). I do still maintain my paper logbook as I think it would be nice to have it on the bookshelf one day to look back on. That and it forms part of my overly paranoid quintuple redundancy.

I keep my duty hours on a separate company spreadsheet but I do quite like the look of the one that das Uber Soldat has uploaded.

I'm still sceptical of Apple in general (and a MacBook is too heavy for my nomadic lifestyle although that psuedo EFB iPad is tempting), not that I'm a fan of Windows but at least I have all the data stored if I eventually cave to to the will of Steve Jobs.

CAA NZ do not explicitly prohibit electronic logbooks like CASA.

Jack Ranga 28th Jul 2010 07:33

I use a copy of das's, it's a cracker and he asks nothing in return :ok:

Good stuff bloke :ok:

ad-astra 28th Jul 2010 21:13

Aero Log by Windsock Productions is used by a lot of Airline guys in VB and PX
Produced by a VB Captain with very good support and lots of bells and whistles.

HercFeend 19th Aug 2010 03:50

Safelog FAA and CAA/JAA Pilot Logbook Software and Online Pilot Logbook

PC, PDA, Mac etc. It costs but is very good and you can spit out all sorts of reports.

Biggles78 19th Aug 2010 05:13

The problem I see with the electronic logbook is will you be able to access it in 5, 10 or 20 years time when the computer hardware AND software is going to be so different. You are now caught in the software upgrade cycle for this to happen. Being a lazy sod I like the idea of just pushing a couple of keys or even better, a couple of mouse clicks and have all my desired times printed out all nice and neat. However over the course of my flight time, my blue cardboard covered logbooks are going to be oh so cost effective (even if they are a bit musty smelling).

The real positive side of the electronic logbook is the ability to back the thing up and have multiple copies. If I lose my present hard copies, it is almost back to square one and I will no longer be able to see any comments that I made when I first soloed or the doco glued into the page when I passed my CPL Flight Test. Maybe time for me to fire up the scanner and get a record of the "early years".

Lasiorhinus 19th Aug 2010 09:36


Originally Posted by Massey058 (Post 5833986)
5 years ago now I got a copy of the excel logbook created by Lasiorhinus. Over time I have modified it a bit and included formulas for hours flown in 7, 30, 90, 365 days.


Glad its been helpful. In the intervening five years, ive now modified my original to also include recent experience, including 30/365 days, also calendar month and calendar year. It does IFR approach recency too, and I'm working on IFR flight recency too.

Massey085; would you mind showing me a copy of the modifications and improvements youve made?

AerocatS2A 19th Aug 2010 10:51

I use LogBook Pro, it's American but customisable.

There's nothing wrong with keeping an electronic logbook as long as you keep a paper one as well. My paper logbook has the bare minimum details while the electronic one has a lot more detail. At some point I'll print the electronic one and have it nicely bound.

As far as software compatibility goes, the data in an electronic logbook is very basic and can be exported into simple comma deliminated text files.

higherplane 7th Sep 2010 07:07

Hey Guys

I just got logbook pro and their iphone app. I would have gotten logten however I didn't want to have to go and buy a Mac (nothing against them I quite like them actually, I just like to play games and that's a PC's strong point). At the moment the iphone app is a bit clumsy but there are constant improvements coming out.

Anyway my question is where do I find out what is the legally required layout for a logbook which CASA will accept?

Cheers

Tidbinbilla 7th Sep 2010 09:05

Biggles, the beauty of most logbook programs written in the past 10 years is that they can export/import data in CSV or tab-delimited text, and more. All of which are compatible with the latest programs.

I've had an electronic logbook since 1992, and have had no problems integrating my old data into new programs.

I used Logbook Pro until a couple of years ago, but with "waking up" to the Mac :ok:, and now the iphone, I use Log Ten Pro/Mobile. Although Logbook Pro was a very good program, IMO Log Ten is far superior in the sense that its interface with the iphone is far slicker, and the reporting function suits that of many countries.


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