No chance of a DEC, though plenty of FO slots, the more experienced drivers go to the Embraer Fleet.

Yeah, on 20% less money!

Go figure. :rolleyes:

Not true re more experienced going onto the Embraer now.

The last 2 courses have been for the 737 and included pilots with command time on the 737 plus a few with others with FO jet time (F100, 717). The next course also for the 737 includes at least one pilot with wide body time.

Company will not employ DEC's again!

Yep contacting CP or the HR department at a major will improve your chances of going to the bottom of the list

Pointless discussion anyway as last time i checked applications were closed. Only accepting interest for Pac Bro.

Ejet vs 73 its just luck of the draw. I'm sure there is some science to it but thats up to the people that do the recruiting. Importantly if you feel that the salary on the Ejet isn't fair or not enough before you join make sure you decline the offer when they make it. The last thing people at vb want is a sour faced recruit complaining that blogs got the 73 and only has two spaceshuttle launches whereas you have 3.

Exactly Mr Hat, well said. How I hate flying with ****ty sour faced F/O's who are not hapy with T+C's they knew full well they were signing up for.
CHEers

Domestic flight crew have been open for at least 3 months that I know of

Direct to the Chief Pilot and why not?
 

Duh! One of the best flying jobs I ever had that took me all over the world to places most guys/gals would only dream of I got by going directly to the Chief Pilot. I met him on the stairwell, on the way up to his office. I asked the guy coming down where I could find the Chief Pilot and this fine fellow asked me a lot of questions, then asked me, if I want a job? "Huh?", was my dumbfounded reply. He then introduced himself as the Chief Pilot and said, "We better go upstairs and make this official." That was my first airline job.

Unfortunately, he wasn't political enough and didn't last. Neither did the airline. But, I got three of the best years experience of my career out of 'em. And, it led me to truly bigger and better things . . . and more money, just not as much fun nor as interesting.

At that airline, I flew with the likes of real airman, like the flight leader of a flock of F-111B's that made the raid on Libya who flew from the UK. Some of the best Captains, FOs, and FE's I had ever had the pleasure to serve with.

Had I not taken a chance to go directly to the Chief Pilot, I would have never had that experience. Ya just never know.

Hat's off
 

Sooo, tell me, if one doesn't apply to or contact HR or the Chief Pilot for a job, does one have to blow somebody (networking) to have their CV introduced to the right person?

There are a thousand and one ways of getting a job.

I remember a very long time ago, when fresh out of CVs, after handing 'em out like candy, the ONLY call I got was from a Chief Pilot who received my CV when I wrote my CV details on a brown paper bag that I found in the trash, tore of a bit, delivered it. He remarked, "It was a unique approach."

Ya just never know what tickles their fancy.

leffe yours is a totally different kettle of fish. Doubt anyone will argue with you mate. We're talking about people that have the option to not accept the job. Having said that I worked at a company where they gave no option (GFC) to move to the smaller type - they just sacked people instead.

Goblin you are right I'm wrong. They had removed Domestic VB for about a week. Checked last night its back up.

As for chance meetings with CP's or people in positions of power I strongly encourage hitting them up on the spot! I have former colleagues that worked in HR/management positions at various companies and they indicated that if you just go thru the online process and update regularly you stand a better chance than those that try calling directly. Could be different at VB. My gut feeling is apply, update and try and get a blue star if you can.

Mr Hat

What is a blue star mate?

Thanks:)

Blue star means Boys Club :ok:

Jobs for the boys :cool:

Good thing we all know each other :E

Thanks GG :)
understood:(

If you go to your personal details section on their recruitment website you will see a tab saying personal details form.

Down the very bottom of this form is a tab saying You then add a staff member you know, you will need their start date at Virgin and their virgin email address etc.

Helps if you know management or a captain etc

Does a "Blue star" get you to an interview & or job quicker than someone that doesn't nominate they know someone who works for Virgin?

Yes it does mate !!

If a company is calling up candidates for interviewing & selection based on recommendations from other staff, then:

This hardly seems compliant with Legislation available from the Australian Human Rights Commision (see their website). Whereas discrimination is prohibited during all stages of employment, including the advertisement, interviewing & selection of candidates.

The basis being, the best person for the position may be discriminated against in the process, by not having the opportunity to be assessed for the position in favour of a person who is known by another employee.

If on the other hand, a company don't discriminate & do call in people based on the best candidate available for the position. Then why do they need a system which asks candidates if they know staff currently employed by the same business?

A reference on a resume should suffice & should be used at the tail end of the recruitment process.

First determine if the organisation considers that candidate as suitable, than after that process is complete do the reference checking. Not the other way round!

All organisations reserve the right to employ whomever they choose & whoever is the best candidate for the position, but they can't circumvent discrimantion laws in the process.

If you've been waiting on the call up for an interview with a company & are being bypassed by those who are getting called up because they know someone working for the same company, in plain terms your being discriminated against.

Yes, but how do you prove it? I am pretty sure VB were aware of the legislation when they introduced this scheme so you can be confident that it was run past the legal team before they introduced it. Legal proceedings are expensive and time consuming so you would want to be confident of a win. I once worked for a company that paid a $2k headhunters fee to anyone that introduced a successful candidate employee to the company. You would have to say that is a worse case given the financial inducement, but no one in this large company ever found issue with it. (money will usually temper any moral qualms)

..its a great system-far better to get references from someone who worked with you at the coal face than take a chance with a management reference...who knows what they base a recommendation on! Half the time they wouldn't know how hard you work!

Seems to be permanently the closed season for bluestars as HR seem indifferent to them and look for pilots to interview according to their secret formula. Probably nothing more anyone could do than keep getting good experience and updating regularly over a long period; persistence pays etc. Agree with comments that nowadays VB's not the sort of airline where knowing someone can help, and attempting to make contact with HR or CP would probably not help the case towards an interview; all fairly impartial.

Buddy of mine just got offered a training course with Virgin Australia in September on the EMB.
Anyone else that was waiting heard anything?