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What's happened to your wine-glass, Clarrie? Forgot to pay your ISP bill? :E

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What a great idea!! Hope things have changed a bit remember Impulse? They used to call downwind 14 miles out, sit on the runway ready to roll for FIVE!!!! minutes, push in anywhere they could. Rang the chief pilot to suggest maybe some of that stuff wasn't good airmanship, his response was to abuse me and say they were "Doing the right thing".

Talking of joining circuit, I was taught the end of the runway is where you join downwind, some call joining extended downwind, some call downwind 4 miles out. While were at it how far out is too far for downwind? I'd say anymore than one mile would be excess even in a big machine?

I think the idea of calling a wide, extended, or whatever downwind is to provide more situational awareness about where you are, not to try and make yourself part of the circuit traffic. If you call "on a four mile downwind", you've decided that a position report is appropriate for some reason (due other traffic), you're advising that you're aligned with the downwind leg and you're about 4 miles out, you do this to give people useful information, not to try and assert yourself over someone joining via a 5 mile final or to get an aircraft on the ground to wait for you.

I agree Areocat but what I'm getting at here is aircraft just calling downwind and being 4 miles out.

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Green Goblin,

Not so GG. CAO 82.3 refers to low-cap RPT operations. I'm guessing you boys with freight in the back aren't RPT. There are also a few other operators flying metro's under charter and not scheduled services.

In this case, does the 3nm and 1nm calls apply even though the aircraft is above 5,700?

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In that case, I agree too.

Yea thanks GG, but i actually was talking about the likes of the Dash8s and F50s etc and just quoted the wrong numbers accidentally. :}

That's a bit tight for a 737. Give me a mile and a quarter, at least! :ok:

1.7 nm is comfortable in a 717. I reckon 1 nm would have the FOQA squealing, "bank angle, bank angle". :}

Maybe have to go a bit wider in a 380 too? Space shuttle as well do you think?:8

IMHO 5 mile finals are great, providing you are not distracted with your final checks and join the GU Club (Guts Up).

Airline jockeys have always shown professionalism and good airmanship in my 35 plus yrs of commercial flying. As has the majority of other well TRAINED and well disciplined pilots.