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PlankBlender 24th Nov 2009 22:14

call for ferry pilots - Oz/Europe Jan 2010
 
Looking for an experienced ferry pilot to fly well-equipped PA-28 to Europe from the East Coast in Jan 2010. Owner will be PIC, general flight planning done by specialist company.

Please PM.

VH-XXX 25th Nov 2009 01:45

So Planky, are you pulling up stumps from Qld and heading back home again?

PlankBlender 27th Nov 2009 12:49

Yeah, unfortunately, family circumstances dictate it, but the ferry flight sweetens the deal considerably :)

framer 27th Nov 2009 14:08


Owner will be PIC
Is that to clarify who will be logging the hours?

PlankBlender 27th Nov 2009 23:58

framer, what are you really asking? We all know what PIC entails, don't we?

Capt Fathom 28th Nov 2009 10:23

Nursemaid! :E

VH-XXX 28th Nov 2009 10:29


So, why the need for a ferry pilot then, if the owner's flying? I don't get it.
What planet are you on?

Would you be happy with low'ish hours to just jump into a PA-28 and fly across the world on your own with no experience of this kind?

SOPS 28th Nov 2009 10:33

Ive got 16000 hours and I would not hop in a PA-28 and fly accross the world:}

Orion Delta 29th Nov 2009 12:26

Plankbender> I can't understand why your requesting a ferry pilot, when you will be logging the hours as P.I.C ....?? Shouldn't the ferry pilot be getting the hours?::confused:

framer 29th Nov 2009 15:12


framer, what are you really asking? We all know what PIC entails, don't we?
ha ha ok PLank, most of us know what PIC entails sure.
The thing I'm wondering is why make a call for experienced help in one breath, and then say "I will be the pilot responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, I will have the final say in fuel, route, and weather related decision making in both normal and non-normal situations" in the next breath? It kinda puts me off the whole thing. But.....I have absoluely no idea what your experience levels are, for all I know you want an experienced ferry pilot there in case you have a heart attack while recounting one of your thousands of ferrying stories. Thats why I searched for a possible reason, and then asked the question.ie....I was interested but also trying to be polite.
Have a nice day :)
PS.if it's not so you can log the hours........is it to increase the safety of the flight? Is it because you already know that you will be a more suitable PinC than anyone who applies?

dogcharlietree 29th Nov 2009 16:21

I have "ridden shotgun" for a few pilots with lesser qualifications and experience than me. You get to a certain stage in your career where more PIC hours in your logbook are not that important. You are there to do a job (advising and assisting) and you work out long before you takeoff the "chain of command" :ok:

PlankBlender 29th Nov 2009 22:59

what the dog said.

Cheers mate. :ok:

Brian Abraham 30th Nov 2009 00:36


Would you be happy with low'ish hours to just jump into a PA-28 and fly across the world on your own with no experience of this kind?
As always its horses for courses. Chap from Perth flew around the world in a Mustang II home built and had a grand total of 250 hours when setting out. On top of that he had no instrument ticket and made the trip VFR.

Have a great trip PlankBlender, only wish I had the background to put up my hand to come along.

Australia to Oshkosh '99

VH-XXX 30th Nov 2009 03:55

I fully understand the whole PIC predicament. When it's your aircraft and you know it best you want to be the one that makes the final decision on what goes down and where.... Literally :-)

Hours are unrelated to this discussion in reality as any ferry pilot worth their salt wouldn't care about whether the hours were in their logbook or not, it's about cash, enjoyment and accomplishment.

ZEEBEE 30th Nov 2009 04:44


Have a great trip PlankBlender, only wish I had the background to put up my hand to come along.

Brian,

There's no doubt that you have....just remember that there's no collective :E

Howard Hughes 30th Nov 2009 05:10

But PA-28's do have a collective, pull it up and see what happens!;)

Enjoy your trip Planky, if I could get time of I'd be there in a flash...:ok:

framer 30th Nov 2009 06:02


You get to a certain stage in your career where more PIC hours in your logbook are not that important. You are there to do a job (advising and assisting) and you work out long before you takeoff the "chain of command" http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif
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I also agree with Dog. I wouldn't care if the hours went in my book at all. I would basically be along for the adventure and fun of it. I'm still a bit confused as to what the "chain of command" would be on this particular flight though. Regardless, hope you have a great trip. It would be fun.
Framer

Jabawocky 30th Nov 2009 06:43


I'm still a bit confused as to what the "chain of command" would be on this particular flight though.
Whoever is awake at the time :ok:. whatever happened to the notion of CRM anyway!

VH-XXX 30th Nov 2009 08:19

I know of a much shorter ferry flight where BOTH pilots woke to the sound of ATC entering an uncertainty phase :-)

whiskey1 1st Dec 2009 00:41

When are you looking at going?
Sounds interesting and fun.


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