Das uber et al.....I'm watching with great interest....am formulating some sort of intelligent post....and we'll let the fun begin. Probably today at some stage:E:ok:
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Look forward to it mate, I'm sure you won't disappoint :ok:
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Hi,
here are the requirements for an RTO's teaching staff taken from "Standards for Registered Training Organisations" - Australian Quality Training Framework - Australian National Training Authority (ANTA) dated 2001. I only have access to these at the moment they may have been updated. 7 The competence of RTO staff Each member of the RTO's staff who is involved in training, assessment or client service is competent for the functions they perform. 7.1 The RTO must develop and implement written procedures for the recruitment, induction, and ongoing development of each member of its staff who is involved in training, assessment or client service; encourage and provide relevant opportunities for their professional development; and monitor their performance. 7.2 The RTO’s induction program and materials for new staff must contain information, where relevant to their job role, on each of the following: i Training Packages; ii competency-based training and assessment; iii vocational education and training requirements and policies; and iv requirements for New Apprenticeships/Traineeships. 7.3 a The RTO must ensure that assessments are conducted by a person who has: i the following competencies from the Training Package for Assessment and Workplace Training, or demonstrated equivalent competencies: a BSZ401A Plan Assessment; b BSZ402A Conduct Assessment; c BSZ403A Review Assessment; and ii relevant vocational competencies, at least to the level being assessed. b However, if a person does not have all of the competencies in Standards 7.3 a (i) and 7.3 a (ii), one person with the competencies listed in Standard 7.3 a (i), and one or more persons who have the competencies listed in Standard 7.3 a (ii) may work together to conduct assessments. 7.4 The RTO must ensure that training is delivered by a person who: i has all the competencies in the Certificate IV from the Training Package for Assessment and Workplace Training (or has demonstrated the equivalent competencies) or who is under the direct supervision* of a person with these competencies; and ii is able to demonstrate vocational competencies at least to the level of those being delivered. *Direct supervision is achieved when a person delivering training on behalf of the RTO has regular guidance, support and direction from a person designated by the RTO who has the competencies in Standard 7.4 (i) and who monitors and is accountable for the training delivery. It is not necessary for the supervising person to be present during all training delivery. Hope this makes things clear. Tinkicker |
I am a flight instructor in bankstown and I am also conducting academic research on overseas students attending flight training in oz. It would be great to chat to some instructors or educators about their experience and contribute to this study. anyone interested please let me know cheers joe |
HAHA. nice try joe....
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Does aerospace charge 5k per month to have the students enrolled there?
If so, even if you were not flying I could see how their 40 odd K disappeared rather quickly and how they did not end up with the required 200TT. We all know what flight training is like, CX flights due to weather, instructors duty times running low (particularly trying to complete a NVFR), aeroplane unservicabilities and of course errors from operations in your bookings. I remember just trying to get my CPL flight test booked was a chore and then after my pre licence I had to wait two months for the test after which I was a little rusty when the time came to fly, although thankfully I passed. I would say where there is smoke there is fire, however I also know how international students are to work with and they can be a chore. We all know what dealing with foreign call centres are like especially if they are giving tech support, they can read off a list but cannot think and diagnose problems laterally. Aviation requires lateral thinking, not wrote learning. It's not that these foreign students are incapable of lateral thinking, they have just never had the need to learn it along with never being encouraged to do so. Therein lies a major problem in getting one up to the standard required to pass a CPL flight test. I have heard ATO's in the past passing students as they are obligated to by the flying school system with a verbal condition that they are never to exercise the privileges of their licence under their Australian licence in Australian airspace. That to me rings alarm bells. I've never worked as an instructor for Aerospace Aviation and anything I have said here is speculative and rumour not fact, and is not intended for any media organization to use in their coverage in relation to the issue at hand :ok: Safe flying Peeps :) |
ATO's obligated to pass students????? god help us.
Like any educational course you pay your fees and you either do the work and pass or fail. Cant buy a degree or a CPL for that matter. That said if there is evidence of misconduct it should be investigated and people made acocuntable. |
Cant buy a degree or a CPL for that matter. I recently finished a postgrad course and was amazed to see emails from the course convenor to all students about how rampant plagiarism was discouraged. Apparently various foriegn course participants had been buying their assignments or plagiarizing from textbooks, which would lead to automatic exclusion ten years ago. These days, it's worth a gentle reprimand and you still get a pass. Why? The international students pay far more than domestic students, and it all goes to the University coffers. Education/training is a business these days. Nothing about achievement or imparting knowledge. Even the universities operate like this, so Heaven help the smaller operators. |
"acocuntable" is my new favorite word.
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DUS,
Good point, well spotted. Just working out what a.c.o. stands for. :E |
Instructor rating????
This seems to indicate that CASA give instructor ratings to people who are not properly qualified to teach flying.
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Education/training is a business these days. Nothing about achievement or imparting knowledge. Even the universities operate like this, so Heaven help the smaller operators. Me thinks that from time to time commercial decisions prevail! Max |
Cert IV in TAA
Just an interesting note on qualifications of instructors in an RTO. Different states have different requirements however in Queensland I know that it is not a requirement that all staff have the TAA or BSZ qualification. The assessors that give the final qualification must have it and must supervise/assess/train the skilled professionals that deliver the training and assure that the training provided is at the appropriate standard.
Using this logic, the instructors that do the training do not require it and although it is a “recommendation” it is still not a requirement. It would be interesting to see what the NSW regulations state on this matter though… shame it’s not standard for all states… :} As a side note, the cert IV in aviation is not worth the paper it is written on. Unfortunately since it is not technically linked to CASA in anything but name it means if an RTO chose to they would be able to complete the entire course without ever having the student sit a CASA exam…. Thus no licence just a piece of paper….. Will be great one day when the two departments work it out… |
I Flew at AA. Would a Cert IV instructor need to be "signed out" by a more senior instructor. My memory is that many of the instructors I went up into the Circuit and training area with needed to be signed out first. Many times we could not leave because no instructors where around to sign us out.
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Jhurditch,
If you were flying with a junior grade 3 flying instructor, that instructor would have required to be under direct supervision of a grade 1 instructor, who needs to be at the school in order to supervise. It doesnt have anything to do with having or not hving a Cert IV. Mo |
I think what he is referring to Capt Mo ..
"has all the competencies in the Certificate IV from the Training Package for Assessment and Workplace Training (or has demonstrated the equivalent competencies) or who is under the direct supervision* of a person with these competencies; and" Is that. |
Just to clarify
Grade 1/2/3 Instructor Rating is required to teach people how to fly. Cert IV is a Vocational Course (can be done at TAFE by anyone) which all instructors are required to complete for the school to have VETAB approval. It has nothing to do with teaching people to fly, it is only necessary to get VETAB approval. Thats my understanding anyway. |
Aerospace
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2007, 10:48 AM
The direct students from the Advisement have be taken by Aerospace directly by Aerospace without informing us. Now I know why Sue has not put my name on your website you both had evil intentions. 8, We have reported that the aircraft you will use for training are not maintained properly and Auto Pilot etc do not work since 2005 . You have also promised to install RMI and HSI in the Aircraft but failed to do so far . The cadets will be flying glass cockpits in INDIA so the training on this A/c which cannot do dme arc , vor holds etc will be a waist of money for them .You are also refusing to give training in the Duchess which is a complex airplane even though you offers says it. 9,We have already reported the Human Right violation done by your Instructor Mr Richard and have more than 25 ex students who will sign for it . How can you do CRM when your instructors think they are Superior humans because of their Color ? KFA is owned by Dr Vijay Mallaya who is a proud Indian and will not like if your Instructors address their Cadets as "Bloody Indians" and " You are the worst Race i have ever Seen" Thease guys are paying you , you must make sure Richard is out of your School.Last month he took a bottle of wine to pass a guy who has come from Haryan to Aerospace to get his multi eng rating.Your instructors can sell their integrity for a bottle of wine?? 10,We have also saved Aerospace twice from getting Blacklisted By DGCA since Mescos were to file a report about your school there and we gave you free legal advice when the article was published against you . 11, AUSTRALIAN GROUND :- ground subjects.The course books were given to us because at that time your only ground instructor has resigned and you have had no way of teaching the cadets.When ever we tried to save you by helping you , you turned against us and stabbed us on out back. 12, you and your wife are cheating INDIAN students since 1992. The day you were in INDIA i told you that your 152 has crashed you tried to keep the news away from me. 13, We can even get a stay order against you to take any student from India .. I think a team from INDIAN DGCA should go to Aerospace on a fact finding mission and should be allowed to talk to the Indian student there. 14, We have already reported this you your High Commissioner in Bombay who has advised us he will not recommend your School to anyone else in INDIA. 16, Ball is in your court. Zane please note i will be the last INDIAN you have tried to cheat.I will go to each ex Aerospce student and have a signature campain against you at least one of them will give evedence against you to DGCA.You have not refunded a single $ to anyone so far but your website says that you will give 10% back to them if they pay the entire fees at once.Once they reach Sue theretens that she will deport them if they open their mouth . You are sweet to people tillthey pay you the first instalment when they reach there they have to take an appointment to talk to Sue some of the multi engine guys come back without meeting her even once. 19, you are used to shortcuts Not we! we will make sure thay get the complete ground training than you can log anyting ( Day flying as Night ) you want when they come to you . I have lost a year of my life with Aerospace but i am a free man now who can start from scrach again and beat you because i have integrity and we feel these cadets are future of Indian Aviation and not some commodity like you treat them. You husband and wife team are evil and you are to be stopped! |
Well....it's taken me a couple of days to find the time to tangle with Das Uber ( I can hear him panting like a young maiden in anticipation!:E)
So here we go.......nope...got nothin'!. The Green Goblin seemed to sum it up. Sorry Das Uber;) I'll just say this. Aerospace should never have put itself into a position where a bunch of slackers could nail them!! Good students I could back....but not this bunch of whiners!! Indians.........dot your Is and cross your Ts. Then there will be no problem. Here endeth the rant of sorts!! |
well do any one know how many students are there at AA? and its a/c's etc?? and talking diligence even I agree some students have and some may not but why dont you take it in a possitive way?
AA used to offer 200hrs and 15hrs sim for AUD43500 (old rate and now its AUD50,000), after just doing abt 120hrs how could the course fee be finished?? ok leave it its finished we are willing to pay extra but AA should show the account statement for AUD43500. Is AA willing to do that?? The answer is no. AA has c-152 10, piper-5, c-172rg 2, p-68 2, 1 duchess. The student used to get 1 booking/week and if its cancelled, he/she has to wait for next week (so think abt the no. of students). There are lots of instructors who left the school because of management. These are only some there are a lot others. |
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