Anotther QANTAS CC Thread
 

Word is starting to spread of the need for potential Compulsory Redundancies for crew. Apparently there is goinng to be a further announcment of significant reductions in services.

This could affect all airlines within the Qantas Group....watch this space

In light of these developments one might conclude that it would be a serious mistake for QAL crew to volunteer to go to the dugong.

Pegasus747

Thanks for keeping us in the loop, I new it would only be a matter of time before this issue came up. Sadly this maybe the companies way in dealing with the Cairns base overstaff issue in domestic.

Speedbirdhouse....actually...the QAL crew who take a 2 year secondment to the A380 are not employees of QCCA. They work under part 2 of the EBA 8 but are not actually employed by QCCA. For the purposes of compulsory redundancy...both QCCA and QAL are considered one group.

So if Qantas announces CR, then:

1. In Long Haul...QCCA would be the first to go then QAL in reverse seniority.

2. In Short Haul....the 'New Entity' will be the first to go, followed then by the most junior fulltime crew...ie. Cairns base. I'm not sure where MAM fits into the picture. Then it would be QAL in reverse seniority.

What's the bet they do a massive recruitment after CR.

Guys please - this is a sensitive issue . . .

If they didn't want the ex Australian Airlines (AO ) crew they could have sent us packing and never absorbed us into mainline. Please remember....all 140 of us in Cairns are only on year 2 pay now - much cheaper than the BNE based Jurassic Park Veterans who make more in band payments a year than my base salary.

Who would have ever had thought we would end up in S/H ? Strange things happen in QF. They will ALWAYS find other options for you before sending you packing. In this case if the finger is pointed directly at Cairns , then as previously done with the AO/QF wetlease arrangement then the offer of F/T S/H then I'm sure something else will be offered. Maybe A380 secondments for the short term ?

Anyway, why would they get rid of us ? We are the ones training all of the new QCCA A380 crew :ok:

As I have said before - ACTION THE DIVISIONAL TRANSFER LIST IMMEDIATELY. PROBLEM SOLVED.

It doesnt make any sense to make QCCA crew C.R. as they are the cheapest labour force within Qantas long haul. Do you think the company would do that?

In domestic I totally agree make crew C.R. then offer their jobs back but under the "new entity" arrangement. MAM's will be safe as the FAAA will say they are needed for FWA.

I agree with you though I bet any money C.R. than massive recruitment. Of course our FAAA will be in contact 2 weeks after the announcement with an action plan as they are always on the ball when it comes to the big issues like this NOT!!

Pegasus747... Do you have any more information about the 'significant reduction of services'? Which services are to be reduced?

LWOP has been offered in SH from Jan 31st, apparently due to a forecast reduction in flying.

Hey guys and gals, lets be a little careful with this topic, this could severely effect alot of people......:*

Only info that has been canvassed in the media in recent days and scuttlebutt around the traps in discussion with some pilot union reps who have been speculating about more reductions in flying.

Can i suggest however that irrespective of who is the cheapest and whether last on first off provisions apply... might i offer the following...

Whilst Qantas maintains overseas based cabin crew it would be imprudent for the company to consider putting young australians ( or old ones for that matter) out on the street whilst still employing foreign cheap labour.

I am fairly sure that unions would respond accordingly in a very public way should any of the bean counters consider putting young aussies out of a job

Its been over 20 years since The Flying Rat handed out marching orders. The airline has witnessed SARS and Asian Economic Meltdown etc...I am sure a reduction in flying will not necessarily mean CR. It is very unlikely that the company will embark on CR given the massive public relation ramifications this will have.

It is actually illegal to sack (CR) full time employees And then re-employ at a cheaper rate (The new entity).... if this was the case ... why not get rid of everyone and start again... some of the crap I read on this site

Trollywally....is this true? Where can I get more info about this as it would be good to be informed as well as inform other crew so that people don't panic in mass hysteria.

737-800's to Jetconnect
 

Apparently a number of 737-800's are to be transferred from Qantas mainline to Jetconnect. If this is true it will surely have an impact on crewing numbers in shorthaul. Hopefully enough people will take LWOP and no CR will be needed. I guess they could offer VR again early next year, but I wonder how many would take it as most people wanting it would have applied this time.

Wouldn't Q.F be more likely to go down the path of offering extended leave of absence before taking the expensive option of C.R.??

Qf shorthaul cabin crew have been offered periods of 6 or 12 months LWOP from the end of Jan 2009.

i seem to remember from some years back that if CR in longhaul occurred then all bases would be under the pump including poms, kiwis and the teletubbies.
pegasus et al, can you clarify the official position re faaa

Indamiddle....who are the "teletubbies"?...is that a racist slur on the Thai crew?

As I understand it the IR laws are quite clear on this...

Yes the company is within its rights to make crew compulsory redundant due to operational requirements if the jobs are no longer there... BUT they can not then turn around and offer the SAME jobs to a cheaper work force, in this case the "new entity" ... If this was the case the people made redundant would have a case for unfair or unlawful dismissal... the company would have to prove that these people are genuinely redundant which would be difficult to do if they then turn around and recruit for the same jobs...

At this point in time the Howard IR laws are still in place, Im sure there would be plenty of info out there through google on IR laws

TW

Quote-

"Indamiddle....who are the "teletubbies"?...is that a racist slur on the Thai crew?"

______________

No Farang, it's a term of endearment.

Congratulations too for stating the obvious and missing the point of my post, entirely.

domestos.... is that a racial slur?
'pommies'...originally due to convicts arriving oz with "pohm" printed on shirt.
'kiwis'..... named after a bird (hopefully not a fruit???).
naming only the thais would be discrimination.
please smack yourself 3 times on the bottom for discrimination.
as for "mass hysteria", cabin crew are far too interested in themselves to care about anyone else

Thank you for clearing it up Speedbirdhouse and Indamiddle. I'm very grateful for your elucidation on the matter. "naming only Thais would be discrimination"....but I thought we had a base in BKK....so therefore, am I wrong for rationally assuming that "teletubbies" refers to the Thai people? Anyway, it doesn't matter and lets not get into a protracted ping pong about terms of endearment or lack of cultural awareness of The Yen Men at LH.

Speedbirdhouse....I'm not Farang ! lol :) and because it is difficult to gauge a speaker's tone just from one written sentence, I thought that perhaps you may not have been aware of the secondment provisions for QAL. No need to get shirty :) We are all friends here.

FAAA released a memo today stating that the company have indicated that they will be actioning a "limited number" of base transfers "through a staged approach over the next few months". I'm not sure how this will affect CR...it really doesn't solve the problem of surplus crew at SH does it?

qantas said that MAMers would solve the problem of not having a flexible workforce and that they would smooth out the peaks and troughs of SH cabin crew hours though they seem to have shot themselves in the foot with contract c. surely qf have a clause where they can inform maurice that they now only require 'xxx' number of MAM casuals, they are after all only mam employees from a labour hire company, not qf employees. this would also avoid any CR payments. a problem for maurice, not qf

I think the MAM contract for Qantas runs out in 2011 and that QF does not want to renew the contract as it pays MAM more money per hour for a F/A than it does for its own QAL F/A...hence the reason why it wants to establish its own "new entity".

i guess the extent of any planned reductions in flying will determine what happens with the number of crew required in each base. I think that the CNS base is quite safe although i think that there may be some opportunities for the FA category to transfer out of CNS and part of surplus management.

In terms of LH there is no planned recruitment at the moment to factor in the reduction in international flying. However A380's are still being delivered and that division will continue to grow. As part one LH crew cannot be compelled to go to A380 QCCA has announced that as A380s are delivered they will deploy part 2 crew to A380.

This will also assist in managing any apparent surplus in LH and at the same time provide ongoing job security to part 2 crew.

In terms of compulsory redudancy the LH EBA is clear its LAST ON FIRST OFF. No equivocation whatsoever. This would mean that the recently employed crew would be the first to go as has always been the case.

There is no susggestion at this stage that there will be a need for CR in Long Haul and Qantas is puting in place a range of initiatives to avoid CR at all costs.

This may not be the case in other areas of the flying business as there are no growth vehicles other than A380 at the moment. Even if the company decided to reduce MAM numbers these would be the first to be offered QCCA A380 positions as the new aircraft arrive

As if!
 

i think anyone reading this thread needs to look at how much drafting has been happening in the last few months!!
They dont want to get rid of more crew, and the idea that they want to remove cairns base is laughable (seeing as most cairns crew are the only s/h crew left giving customer service)
if anyone asks me, why not get rid of negative, mean, hard-assed crew.. (most of which are based in melbourne) who dont give a **** about anyone but themselfs!!!!!!!! No, actually lets let them keep flying so they can keep complaining about CNS and PER crew taking all their flying... thats a far better image for QF...

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

70 Cairns Based S/H crew will be given transfers to SYD,MEL & PER as of monday morning. Start dates will be 01 Jan 2009 in the new base giving crew all of December to organise relocation.

The other bases will follow over the coming weeks/months.

If that is the case QF Skywalker, that will bring good news to a lot of crew. Having a look at the CNS bid pack, there doesn't seem to be too much flying after the 17th. Some days there is only 5 crew signing on. I think there will probably about 20 crew or so on RES.
I hope the transfer comes through for you Skywalker. I just hope they transfer a few CSMs as well.

Mid:)

cns
 

i hope there is less flying in cairns. that means less domestic 737 tandem city flyer $6 please sir shut the door shut the door! chux throwing up & down & up & down up & down tuck shop.. 'its good hours!' rubbish.

please let us go back to real flying. please. not all of us want children and recipe books.


..p l eeeeee a s e :):):):):):):):):):):)

That's a great post. LOL

Quote.............

#26 (permalink)
QF skywalker


Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 354 70 Cairns Based S/H crew will be given transfers to SYD,MEL & PER as of monday morning. Start dates will be 01 Jan 2009 in the new base giving crew all of December to organise relocation.

The other bases will follow over the coming weeks/months.




Any news...............still waiting??? Monday morning has come and gone...:bored:

I've heard "base transfers are going to happen next week" for the past 52 weeks! Oh no 53 weeks now....

It's happening right now!!

Wow!
 

Live?....where can this event be seen or verified?

It seems to be FA category only. Goodluck all

Mid

Just Got Call
 

I Just got phone call from QF asking me wanna transfer to SYD or not. It will be start on 1st of JAN 2009 if i choose to go.Anyone got phone call?:)

747 300
 

Don't forget the 300's are going going gone in the next couple of weeks, so there will be a re-alignment of the destinations and LH crew required. Perth day trips will be given back to SH.

Heard 74 crews will remain in CNS only , DONT KNOW ITS TRUE OR NOT:rolleyes:

Has anyone any catagory from anywhere got acall to go to Bne???????

how many are in cns?

I think maybe about 200...........

Made up of approx 150 f/as
26 csms
20-30 on lwop in london base or on mat leave

I did hear that only 26 of the base where not on a transfere list to somewhere

Tw